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Asterix said:
For those wondering how much funding the NHS requires? Empty your bank account and cook the Xmas turkey over a barbeque pit using scrunched up tenners as fuel. Skint, and raw turkey.

Solving the problems? Get rid of the mini empires. I was kept in hospital waiting for the antibiotic whizz kid to tell me on the Thursday, something I had known since the weekend. These give you the ****s.

Also bed sores. Every couple of hours, can we check please? Which ambulance chaser got a huge payout for his 48 stone, needs a crane to lift him/her?
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I know a kid who is a regional finance professional and has been with the NHS since he left at 16.

The gravy train some of the ****s are on there is astounding and insults the many poorly paid people in the NHS.

Worst of all are the doctors, foreign ones lying about quallies or any doc caught perving get suspended on full pay sine die. Six figure salaries for years and years, and the BMA close ranks .

Needs a massive shake up.

Physicians, heal thyselves.
 
dennisboothstash said:
Any views as to what the fact that Johnson’s deal means there will be customs barrier in the Irish Sea will do to the vote?

other than that the deal is pretty much identical to May’s, but it had been a ‘red line’ before

I’m asking it as a genuine question, as I don’t know the answer. You would think it would be a big deal for people in Northern Ireland, but will people on the mainland really care?

I don’t know I must say

Also I assume that to get a FTA done before the end of 2020 will require major concessions to the EU. So maybe no deal, and despite gloomy financial predictions many seem ok with that, or more likely a deal which will still see the EU fishing in UK waters fir example. Those things don’t seem to be making much difference to voting either do they? Are people assuming that assumption is wrong, or are they ok either way? Interesting to see.
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Well, it's ****ed the DUP off massively, which I guess will have a knock on effect on the opinions of the people of NI.

The way I see it, there's been a fair few people who are just ****ing sick of Brexit. They're sick of hearing about it, but perhaps more importantly, they're sick of the bullshit that's chucked about. I don't honestly think the government want to leave and I fully expect some sort of excuse next year about a U-turn after some sort of amazing new feature that the UK gets if it remains. They were never going to leave, I don't think; Leave politicians managed to create an enemy in the EU to have somebody to be seen to be battling for the UK, but when it's held up to scrutiny, the arguments for leaving are weak at best and fly in the face of nearly every financial expert, world economic organisation and banking firm across the planet.

This "great new deal" he keeps banging on about isn't as good as what we have with the EU now, by definition it can't be and the idea that we are "taking back control", when we never actually lost control of anything is a trick as old as politics itself.

People shout "democracy", but I'd wager many didn't have that word in their vocabulary prior to this clusterfuck, never mind knowing what it actually means or consists of in practice. And of course, the hypocrisy of having three general elections in 4 years being democratic, but having a second referendum in the same time frame is completely out of the question because it "destroys democracy". I still struggle to understand why we would go ahead with such a momentous process on the back of four year old data, especially considering that around 11% of the electorate has changed; around 5% are now dead and another 5% are eligible to vote. But somehow, the dead get their wishes honoured and those who have their whole lives ahead of them, the ones most affected by this, are denied a say simply because they weren't old enough at the time. If Brexit had happened within 12 months of the referendum, fair enough. But not nearly four years later, it's madness. Find out if it's what we all still want. If it is, slap a time limit on when we can leave and how long we have to get our **** together (actually put a date into the ballot paper), make it so that leaving actually happens. If it isn't, chuck it on the fire and vote again in a few years if it turns out we're actually being shafted. Make it illegal for social media/MSM to spread false information or misleading content, so that only 100% fact checked information is spread around. Then have a ****ing referendum based on the facts, not how people feel about things.
 
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Steven Toast said:
Of course you will, it avoids my question completely <laugh>.

FYI, the media in this country are overwhelmingly right wing, centre right in most cases, but right leaning nevertheless.

You, my tragically misinformed little friend, need to read more.
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Most of 'em are leaning so far to the right they are in danger of falling over.
 
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dennisboothstash said:
Any views as to what the fact that Johnson’s deal means there will be customs barrier in the Irish Sea will do to the vote?

other than that the deal is pretty much identical to May’s, but it had been a ‘red line’ before

I’m asking it as a genuine question, as I don’t know the answer. You would think it would be a big deal for people in Northern Ireland, but will people on the mainland really care?

I don’t know I must say

Also I assume that to get a FTA done before the end of 2020 will require major concessions to the EU. So maybe no deal, and despite gloomy financial predictions many seem ok with that, or more likely a deal which will still see the EU fishing in UK waters fir example. Those things don’t seem to be making much difference to voting either do they? Are people assuming that assumption is wrong, or are they ok either way? Interesting to see.
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Obviously only an issue if Johnson gets in.

I think Scotland will have a lot to say about the deal. NI get preferential access to the EU it gives them an unfair trade advantage which will seriously disadvantage businesses in other parts of the UK, probably costing jobs.

I think Scotland will instigate a legal challenge to the deal which will be challenged by Johnson. He will rush though his policies which restrict legal challenges & restrict the power of the Supreme Court making us a one Party State.
 
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Steven Toast said:
Well, it's ****ed the DUP off massively, which I guess will have a knock on effect on the opinions of the people of NI.

The way I see it, there's been a fair few people who are just ****ing sick of Brexit. They're sick of hearing about it, but perhaps more importantly, they're sick of the bullshit that's chucked about. I don't honestly think the government want to leave and I fully expect some sort of excuse next year about a U-turn after some sort of amazing new feature that the UK gets if it remains. They were never going to leave, I don't think; Leave politicians managed to create an enemy in the EU to have somebody to be seen to be battling for the UK, but when it's held up to scrutiny, the arguments for leaving are weak at best and fly in the face of nearly every financial expert, world economic organisation and banking firm across the planet.

This "great new deal" he keeps banging on about isn't as good as what we have with the EU now, by definition it can't be and the idea that we are "taking back control", when we never actually lost control of anything is a trick as old as politics itself.

People shout "democracy", but I'd wager many didn't have that word in their vocabulary prior to this clusterfuck, never mind knowing what it actually means or consists of in practice. And of course, the hypocrisy of having three general elections in 4 years being democratic, but having a second referendum in the same time frame is completely out of the question because it "destroys democracy". I still struggle to understand why we would go ahead with such a momentous process on the back of four year old data, especially considering that around 11% of the electorate has changed; around 5% are now dead and another 5% are eligible to vote. But somehow, the dead get their wishes honoured and those who have their whole lives ahead of them, the ones most affected by this, are denied a say simply because they weren't old enough at the time. If Brexit had happened within 12 months of the referendum, fair enough. But not nearly four years later, it's madness. Find out if it's what we all still want. If it is, slap a time limit on when we can leave and how long we have to get our **** together (actually put a date into the ballot paper), make it so that leaving actually happens. If it isn't, chuck it on the fire and vote again in a few years if it turns out we're actually being shafted. Make it illegal for social media/MSM to spread false information or misleading content, so that only 100% fact checked information is spread around. Then have a ****ing referendum based on the facts, not how people feel about things.
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Hmm

but will doing something which results in ****ing the DUP off make a difference to voting intentions on the mainland? I doubt it will

(Obviously it will probably scupper a deal with the DUP in the event they hold the balance again...or make it much more costly in any case!)
 
Steven Toast said:
Of course you will, it avoids my question completely <laugh>.

FYI, the media in this country are overwhelmingly right wing, centre right in most cases, but right leaning nevertheless.

You, my tragically misinformed little friend, need to read more.
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Surely you jest Steven? The BBC are so far left it's embarrassing!!
 
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dennisboothstash said:
Hmm

but will doing something which results in ****ing the DUP off make a difference to voting intentions on the mainland? I doubt it will

(Obviously it will probably scupper a deal with the DUP in the event they hold the balance again...or make it much more costly in any case!)
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You're right, it might not have a profound effect on mainland voting, but if I were in Wales or Scotland, I'd be taking note of how the English part of the government are willing to treat other members of the union.
 
Steven Toast said:
You're right, it might not have a profound effect on mainland voting, but if I were in Wales or Scotland, I'd be taking note of how the English part of the government are willing to treat other members of the union.
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Fair enough (although not much Conservative vote in Scotland anyway)
 
Ric Glasgow said:
Surely you jest Steven? The BBC are so far left it's embarrassing!!
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See a lot of this 'BBC bias stuff'

Must be oddly comforting for them to get it from both sides, sort of affirmation that they are centrist.

Think they have pockets of random bias on some programmes. .
 
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Steven Toast said:
Well, it's ****ed the DUP off massively, which I guess will have a knock on effect on the opinions of the people of NI.

The way I see it, there's been a fair few people who are just ****ing sick of Brexit. They're sick of hearing about it, but perhaps more importantly, they're sick of the bullshit that's chucked about. I don't honestly think the government want to leave and I fully expect some sort of excuse next year about a U-turn after some sort of amazing new feature that the UK gets if it remains. They were never going to leave, I don't think; Leave politicians managed to create an enemy in the EU to have somebody to be seen to be battling for the UK, but when it's held up to scrutiny, the arguments for leaving are weak at best and fly in the face of nearly every financial expert, world economic organisation and banking firm across the planet.

This "great new deal" he keeps banging on about isn't as good as what we have with the EU now, by definition it can't be and the idea that we are "taking back control", when we never actually lost control of anything is a trick as old as politics itself.

People shout "democracy", but I'd wager many didn't have that word in their vocabulary prior to this clusterfuck, never mind knowing what it actually means or consists of in practice. And of course, the hypocrisy of having three general elections in 4 years being democratic, but having a second referendum in the same time frame is completely out of the question because it "destroys democracy". I still struggle to understand why we would go ahead with such a momentous process on the back of four year old data, especially considering that around 11% of the electorate has changed; around 5% are now dead and another 5% are eligible to vote. But somehow, the dead get their wishes honoured and those who have their whole lives ahead of them, the ones most affected by this, are denied a say simply because they weren't old enough at the time. If Brexit had happened within 12 months of the referendum, fair enough. But not nearly four years later, it's madness. Find out if it's what we all still want. If it is, slap a time limit on when we can leave and how long we have to get our **** together (actually put a date into the ballot paper), make it so that leaving actually happens. If it isn't, chuck it on the fire and vote again in a few years if it turns out we're actually being shafted. Make it illegal for social media/MSM to spread false information or misleading content, so that only 100% fact checked information is spread around. Then have a ****ing referendum based on the facts, not how people feel about things.
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As you well know Mr Toast, if there were to be another referendum, the options would be: Remain
Or Stay in the Customs Union, Single Market, Free movement of people, ECJ to remain as it is now, payments for access to the Single Market. So leave in name only but with no voting rights.

Any Brexiteer would naturally have to boycott such a loaded option.
 
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Question Time special on BBC1 now.

Leaders for the Brexit Party, Green, Lib Dem and PC there.
 
The presenter is causing an argument between the Tories and Brexit Party <laugh> These two are supposed to be on the “same side”.
 
City Man said:
See a lot of this 'BBC bias stuff'

Must be oddly comforting for them to get it from both sides, sort of affirmation that they are centrist.

Think they have pockets of random bias on some programmes. .
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I agree
They do have odd choices on some priogrammes though as you say,
I notice Farage is on Election QT again tonight despite not being anything to do with the election (other than owning the company that people have to pay to become one party’s candidates)
 
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