It's too late to change leader now and debatable as to whether it would help anyway. What it's not too late for and certainly would help would be a joint declaration from Labour and the Lib Dems asking their voters to support en masse whichever party is in second place. In the words of the best performer by far in this campaign to date Ms.Sturgeon we could lock Pfeffel out of Downing Street.
Changing the subject a minute...............London Bridge........another terrorist attack. I've always been against hanging but maybe we should bring it back for terrorist attacks.???? I know the vast majority are usually killed but I'm beginning to think we need another way of dealing with these people. Too many young lives are being taken. The vast majority of Muslim people in this country are peace loving but if they don't start to help the authorities more to to crack down on known possible terrorists. They are going to wish they had not come to this country.
No, not in any circumstances, too many mistakes made in the past. Also not a deterrent to those that are prepared to die for the cause and become a martyr. The creaking justice system has been starved of resources for years. Read and digest the dignified statement by Dave Merritt. Don't be one of the "bring back hanging" brigade Beddy.
As I say I have never been a one for hanging............However we have to do something. Before some begin to take matters into their own hands.
Absolutely not, under any circumstances. I don’t want to be part of a society that executes anyone. In the case of terrorists, all it would do is create martyrs, for the next deluded young person to try and avenge. Better intelligence, better rehabilitation, a better probation service, but never hanging.
No government, nor individual, has the right to take another human life. That is the lazy option and just feeds the blood lust, which thankfully lays dormant in most of us. It's wrong to kill and it must not happen under any circumstances. The problem is we throw people into prison and the resources to educate offenders, or to demonstrate a better way of living through love and understanding, is starved of funding. There will always be 'terrorists' if governments invade other countries and/or impose their will upon people who naturally feel it is unjust. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and you can't execute someone because they have different beliefs to us, no matter what they do.
I am so depressed about all this. I have always had a little bit of faith in humanity, that most people are good people, and would help each other out. To see that the majority were actually voting for closing our doors in Brexit. And now the majority is backing this callous, selfish, uncaring government blows my mind. The majority of this country, it appears, are extremely selfish. And these lizards prey on this selfishness with their horrible propaganda. The day the NHS disappears, and mark my words, it is coming under these bastards, millions upon millions will suffer. For generations to come.
I'm dismayed at some of your statements which seem to be scaremongering (I think that's the word of the moment) alluding to public retribution on the wider muslim community This "They are going to wish they had not come to this country." Many are second and third generation it's their country as not some WASP state. and "Before some begin to take matters into their own hands". There's been an increase in attacks on muslims with the increasing rhetoric from rent a gob Johnson, “letterboxes” and “bank robbers” an example. I haven't got any easy solutions for the neglect of years, The more warnings of violent public reaction the more likely they are to happen https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-comments-led-to-surge-in-anti-muslim-attacks
Timeline Boris Johnson - three decades of sackings and giving offence 1987 Fired by the Times after landing a job at the newspaper through his family connections. In an article about the discovery of Edward II’s Rose Palace, Johnson allegedly invented a quote from his godfather, the historian Colin Lucas. 1990 Discussed plans to have a tabloid journalist beaten up with his fellow Old Etonian Darius Guppy. Johnson said he would try to obtain personal details of the News of the World journalist Stuart Collier. Guppy talked of hiring a contact from south London to assault Collier. January 2002 In a Telegraph column he predicted that when Tony Blair arrived in Congo “the tribal warriors” would “all break out in watermelon smiles”. He added that the Queen loved the Commonwealth “partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies”. It was written the year after he became an MP. June 2002 Compared same-sex marriage to polygamy and bestiality in his debut book, Friends, Voters, Countrymen. “If gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog,” said Johnson. Four years before, Johnson described gay men as “tank-topped bumboys” in his Telegraph column. October 2004 Condemned for publishing an article as editor of the Spectator in which Liverpool fans were blamed for the 1989 Hillsborough disaster. While the article says the event was “undeniably” a tragedy, it added: “That is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon.” It also claimed that people in Liverpool “wallow” in their “victim status”. November 2004 Fired by the then Tory leader, Michael Howard, from positions as shadow arts minister and party vice-chairman for lying about his extramarital affair with Spectator columnist Petronella Wyatt. When it transpired that tabloid reports, which Johnson had dismissed as an “inverted pyramid of piffle”, were true, he had refused to resign. July 2013 Suggested that a rise in the number of Malaysian women attending university was down to their desire to find a husband. April 2016 Suggested the “part-Kenyan” US president Barack Obama had an “ancestral dislike” of the UK. May 2016 Won “most offensive Erdoğan poem” competition, two months before he was appointed foreign secretary. The limerick, for which he was handed £1,000 by the Spectator, described the Turkish president having sex with a goat. January 2017 Caught on camera reciting a colonial-era poem by Rudyard Kipling in front of local dignitaries while on an official trip to Myanmar. Johnson, who was accused of “incredible insensitivity”, had been inside the sacred Buddhist site the Shwedagon Pagoda when he began murmuring the first verse of Mandalay, a later verse of which includes the line: “Bloomin’ idol made o’ mud, wot they called the Great Gawd Budd”. November 2017 Criticised for making incorrect statement that the jailed British-Iranian Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe had been “teaching people journalism” rather than being on holiday in Iran. The then foreign secretary condemned her conviction for spying but his comments were later cited as proof by Iran that she was engaged in “propaganda against the regime”. August 2018 Came under fire for describing Muslim women in burqas as looking like “bank robbers” and “letter boxes”. Making the comments in his Telegraph column, Johnson also called the garments “oppressive” but added that Britain should not follow other countries in banning them in public. June 2019 Media firestorm ensued after a neighbour recorded a loud altercation at the home Johnson shared with his partner, Carrie Symonds. Johnson refused to answer questions about the circumstances of the tape, which featured screaming, shouting and banging. A picture of the couple posing happily subsequently appeared in the media, but Johnson repeatedly refused to say who had taken or released the photograph, or whether it was an old picture. 24 September 2019 The UK's Supreme court rules that the advice prime minister Boris Johnson gave to the Queen over proroguing parliament was "unlawful, void, and of no effect" as it rules that his decision to prorogue parliament was unlawful.
This might make a few of you chuckle. A couple of days ago my son shared a post on Facebook that quite accurately detailed Buffoon’s opinion of working class men, as it was taken from a column he had written. One of my sisters (who I have blocked because I just don’t like her as a person, sad but true) responded to his post, claiming that he was “peddling hatred”. Here’s the rub. She is a lifelong reader of the Daily Fail. Really. She reads the most hate filled, most deceitful, most racist and anti immigrant and downright nasty paper available, yet she gets offended by someone posting a comment based in facts. I guess some Tories don’t understand irony.
You’re too late mate, the perpetrator is already dead. I suppose it’s still technically possible to hang the corpse, but hard to see how that would act as a deterrent.
Sad to hear of the family rifts, we've just about managed to avoid them. Living in The Hague gives a bit of separation from the family living in Hythe and Dibden. Majority now, having realised the implications, have changed their minds, bit reluctant to admit it though. I do find the leave rhetoric is blinkered to the point of blindness. The most violent reaction to plain truths coming from the hard exit camp.
I am sad about the state of the nation, but would just like to say how happy I have been to discover so many of us are like-minded in this. And most of my friends on Facebook too. It just seems a shame that this election won't be decided by us!
jeepers some of you really do get the wrong idea...........I am in no way advocating bringing back hanging...or any capital punishment. Yes you are right they are beginning to attack muslims and it is getting worse. I also reiterate most muslims are peaceful people. What I was insinuating was most of them came here for a better future a better way of life. But with the attacks now starting and escalating they may begin to wonder if their decision was wrong. I don't know about you......but I don't want to see our young people murdered no matter their colour, creed or religion by fanatics. So many though just see the answers to problems as violence. You are right people are becoming less tolerant and automatically think of violence first as their first option rather than the very, very last. As we all know violence begets violence............none are real winners.
I think the point here (I have bolded your words) is that many (maybe most) British Muslims are just that...British. They are 2nd or 3rd generation so were born & bred here and consider themselves (rightly) British. They have no decision to make as they have nowhere to go. This is home.
The rift wasn’t caused by politics, although it has exacerbated it. When she returned to the family home, having been working away, speaking as though she had a plum in her mouth (oo er missus) and tried to distance herself from her working class background, I lost respect for her. She is a snobby social climber of the worst type, and despite her background, doesn’t have the ability to empathise with those people who are currently living in the conditions we once were ourselves.
"As I say I have never been a one for hanging............However we have to do something. Before some begin to take matters into their own hands" Do something you say, what? How about a long term plan to reinvest in all aspects of the justice system from prevention of crime to rehabilition. Don't talk up the possibility of violent reaction that works in both directions.
