Off Topic If teachers are so 'fragile', this confirms why they should NOT be employed

[marcusblackcat]

I was caned at school. I think I made that clear. For not conforming to what the school wanted. I was never disruptive or cheeky or anything like that. The only thing that I didn’t do was homework. Was that worth getting my arse tanned?
I left school with a dislike of authority figures. I left school without a desire to learn. I also left school with exactly the same amount of qualifications that I started with at five years old. In short I am a product of an appalling education system. And I’m not the only one who will think like that.
I have never had a days unemployment in my life. I have never been in trouble with the police. I’ve never done drugs. I am generally respectful to people I meet. I have held down responsible jobs my entire working life. And that is despite being told by my headmaster that the best job I could ever hope for would be cleaning the toilets in Sunderland town centre. How to motivate and encourage your pupils eh?
The cane and corporal punishment did not teach me, as a child, any respect or teach me how to learn. I come from a solid family background and I had that to fall back on. So god only knows what it did to kids who were taught ‘respect’ in that way who came from broken and dysfunctional families.
I have done ok in life not because of my education but generally in spite if it.
And I didn’t label you with anything. Your post where you said that kids should be caned did it for you.

So what you're saying is that caning is wrong because it was administered incorrectly at your school? And that, because I advocate that type of punishment FOR THE FITTING CRIME (As it was administered at my school) , I have an anger problem in regard to the disciplining of children?

(Never once said Kids should be caned by the way. Your words not mine)

If a child causes physical harm to a teacher, intentionally, they should be physically harmed themselves. If a child doesn't do homework or acts up in class, they should be punished accordingly (Detention?)

 

[Evil Jimmy Krankie]

So what you're saying is that caning is wrong because it was administered incorrectly at your school? And that, because I advocate that type of punishment FOR THE FITTING CRIME (As it was administered at my school) , I have an anger problem in regard to the disciplining of children?

(Never once said Kids should be caned by the way. Your words not mine)

If a child causes physical harm to a teacher, intentionally, they should be physically harmed themselves. If a child doesn't do homework or acts up in class, they should be punished accordingly (Detention?)

Discipline was far better when I was at school (cane etc). Your words not mine mate. Do your homework

 

[marcusblackcat]

Discipline was far better when I was at school (cane etc). Your words not mine mate. Do your homework

Absolutely my words. I didn't realise that said "kids should be caned"? (your exact words - not incorrectly paraphrased like yours) You have made a massive assumption and labelled me on the back of it. That is me saying kids were better behaved when I was at school because of the caning etc. More respect for authority as it was administered well. It wasn't in your school (and I understand and respect that) but what I won't stand for is someone labelling me with "anger issues when disciplining children" (again your words) when it is something that I don't have.

 

[wtdog]

The biggest arseholes in the class are ALWAYS the first to complain if they get some back
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[safcfansofaraway]

I'm struggling to understand what this thread is about though I understand many of the points raised. The title of the thread... If teachers are so 'fragile', this confirms why they should NOT be employed. Seem totally irrelevent, having watched the video, it's obvious that the teachers are talking about bullying they suffered at school, not whilst teaching but as kids, and in doing so encouraging kids to speak out or seek help if they are being bullied. In which case it's a very good way of getting the message over.
Or maybe I have completely misunderstood the video

 

[The Norton Cat]

I'm struggling to understand what this thread is about though I understand many of the points raised. The title of the thread... If teachers are so 'fragile', this confirms why they should NOT be employed. Seem totally irrelevent, having watched the video, it's obvious that the teachers are talking about bullying they suffered at school, not whilst teaching but as kids, and in doing so encouraging kids to speak out or seek help if they are being bullied. In which case it's a very good way of getting the message over.
Or maybe I have completely misunderstood the video

I don't think you've misunderstood anything.

 

[safcfansofaraway]

I don't think you've misunderstood anything.

Hi Norton, just seen your post at the foot of the first page where you had already said what I have just posted, I missed that one. I think I was just annoyed at the apparent ignorance of what the video was actually about and skip read many of the posts.

 

[old lads fan]

I'm struggling to understand what this thread is about though I understand many of the points raised. The title of the thread... If teachers are so 'fragile', this confirms why they should NOT be employed. Seem totally irrelevent, having watched the video, it's obvious that the teachers are talking about bullying they suffered at school, not whilst teaching but as kids, and in doing so encouraging kids to speak out or seek help if they are being bullied. In which case it's a very good way of getting the message over.
Or maybe I have completely misunderstood the video

You are correct, teachers trying to get across to pupils not to bottle it up if they are being bullied. The OP got it wrong again, probably something to do with being as owld as the hills.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Hi Norton, just seen your post at the foot of the first page where you had already said what I have just posted, I missed that one. I think I was just annoyed at the apparent ignorance of what the video was actually about and skip read many of the posts.

It did seem like an odd thing to criticise to me when they were only trying to help the kids.

 

[Owld Feller]

It did seem like an odd thing to criticise to me when they were only trying to help the kids.

I've always believed that part of any teacher's role is to communicate 'life skills' which should include stoicism and therefore think that giving pupils an excuse to be 'wimps', rather than develop the mental fortitude/self reliance to face up to the challenges that they will face throughout their lives, flies in the face of that.

Others may disagree, as is their right, but that is my belief and it's not about to change.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I've always believed that part of any teacher's role is to communicate 'life skills' which should include stoicism and therefore think that giving pupils an excuse to be 'wimps', rather than develop the mental fortitude/self reliance to face up to the challenges that they will face throughout their lives, flies in the face of that.

Others may disagree, as is their right, but that is my belief and it's not about to change.

Yeah, mental fortitude and self reliance are very important. Isn't that what this video is teaching them though? I don't see how its telling them that's ok to be wimps. Its saying you may be being bullied but other people have been bullied too and they've got through it, so you can too. Surely that's the best way to build their confidence, and resilience- showing a positive outcome to their problems.

 

[polyphemus]

I'm struggling to understand what this thread is about though I understand many of the points raised. The title of the thread... If teachers are so 'fragile', this confirms why they should NOT be employed. Seem totally irrelevent, having watched the video, it's obvious that the teachers are talking about bullying they suffered at school, not whilst teaching but as kids, and in doing so encouraging kids to speak out or seek help if they are being bullied. In which case it's a very good way of getting the message over.
Or maybe I have completely misunderstood the video

As I understand it, and it's by no means clear, the thread was started, not as a debating point, (as I wrongly assumed) but just as a statement of belief.
No evidence or anything, just a 'this is what I believe' statement.
Rather like some of the people who belt off at Hide Park Corner, or used to.

And while we are at it I would like to emphasise that it isn't the job of The Educational System, or if you prefer Teachers, to teach OUR children discipline and the difference between right and wrong.
That job belongs to the parent/parents and family.

It is true though that many parents shrug off this responsibility under the assumption that the teachers at schools will sort the mess out for them.

I'm struggling to understand (relating to the opening post), why Teachers should be unemployed because of the failings of some parents.

 

[Kittenmittons]

Yeah, mental fortitude and self reliance are very important. Isn't that what this video is teaching them though? I don't see how its telling them that's ok to be wimps. Its saying you may be being bullied but other people have been bullied too and they've got through it, so you can too. Surely that's the best way to build their confidence, and resilience- showing a positive outcome to their problems.

Spot on.

 

[Vincemac]

I don’t know about teaching
But any job you do you have to suite the job
You can’t expect the job to accommodate you

 

[MrRAWhite]

I can't see the contents of the video, but will just say that my eldest son is a trainee teacher, just a few weeks from being fully qualified, and his workload is immense.. Anyone who believes teachers get a lot of time off work have no appreciation of the planning that goes on outside of school hours to prepare lessons.

 

[rooch 3]

I can't see the contents of the video, but will just say that my eldest son is a trainee teacher, just a few weeks from being fully qualified, and his workload is immense.. Anyone who believes teachers get a lot of time off work have no appreciation of the planning that goes on outside of school hours to prepare lessons.

Has he ever told you why he and the others do it mate?

 

[Kittenmittons]

I don’t know about teaching
But any job you do you have to suite the job
You can’t expect the job to accommodate you

I mean, you can to some extent? The teaching industry is losing teachers, and the problem is on a number of levels:

• focus on paperwork/inspections by OFSTED (this is the biggest one, absolutely terrible the way it is handled)
• Inability to effectively discipline children (non-corporal punishment) because parents don't want to see their angel told they're a prat
• Children knowing that they can cause an awful lot of problems for a teacher they don't like with petty allegation

Lessons are standardised, which I have seen change over time as my ex-partner and my mam are/were teachers. If you see the targets teachers have for EVERY lesson (that they have to set for themselves in advance of each lesson in detail, then teach, then mark for) you understand how they feel overworked and stressed. I wouldn't do it, in fact when I finished uni my business was still getting on it's feet and I considered it because I reckoned I could expand my company on the side while guaranteeing my income.

Sharp realised that is definitely not an option

 

[Vincemac]

Yeh that’s the thing
You have to have the right make up and personality to teach
It’s a very difficult job and that’s for the right person
Imagine if you found it difficult and couldn’t manage
Then you would have to work even harder
It is a difficult job

 

[MrRAWhite]

Has he ever told you why he and the others do it mate?

Teaching? he took it on because he wanted to make a positive difference, but I don't think he fully understood the workload until he started his teacher training..

 

[rooch 3]

Teaching? he took it on because he wanted to make a positive difference, but I don't think he fully understood the workload until he started his teacher training..

Sorry mate I meant why do they work extra hours for no pay i have quite a few friends who are teachers and do the same but why would you work all the extra hours and not get paid for them unless its part of your contract.