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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

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    Mahyar Tousi‏@MahyarTousi 13h13 hours ago
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    Cannot believe @KayBurley isn’t here to have breakfast with me,
    even though she doesn’t live here and wasn’t invited.
    So, I’ve empty chaired her.
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  2. GoldhawkRoad

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    Either
     
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  3. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    The list would be exhausting
     
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  4. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Another liar

     
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    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    Another bloody fake/doctored video (whatever you want to call it). Hang your head in shame anna. She must have picked this up in Tory training classes!
     
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  6. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    It gets worse!
    Now it turns out Graham Heal - Anna Soubry’s mythical Leaver - not only campaigned to stay in the EU but stood as a Lib Dem in a by-election!

    This is his 2017 Result
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  7. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    I heard him on the radio the other day. Totally followed that leaked script to a tee. Purely robotic, deflect every question to 'but Jeremy Corbyn'. People are getting sick of this now.
     
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  8. bobmid

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    A Tory never forgets their training!
     
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  9. kiwiqpr

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    Leading article
    The case for amnesty: why it’s time to offer citizenship to illegal immigrants

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    The Spectator
    9 November 2019


    There is an unspoken truth about British life: we have two classes of citizen. The first are those born or formally settled here, who have all the rights and protections of the law. Then there are perhaps a million others who may have lived here with their families for years but without the proper documents. They can be our neighbours, work in our shops, contribute to our economy — yet they do not have the same basic protections and are far more vulnerable to exploitation. These are the so-called illegal immigrants, and it is past time to offer them amnesty.
    Britain has become the most successful melting pot in Europe, absorbing 2.5 million people over this decade without the far-right backlash seen in much of the continent. A recent Pew study showed that Brits are more likely than any other Europeans to say that migrants make the country -stronger. This is why the Windrush scandal was so damaging to the Tories. To deport people who have been living here peacefully for years because they did not have documentation was not just inhumane but fundamentally un-British. The same principle applies to a great many people who could be considered illegal migrants.
    Consider the case of Ben James, Nigerian by birth, who was sent to school in London and then, at the age of 14, abandoned by his family. He managed to build a career and, as a successful commodities broker in his twenties, approached the Home Office in order to regularise his status. He was asked to leave Britain but fought for the right to stay, eventually winning. His case was taken up by The Spectator in 2001 when we first made the case for an amnesty for people in his situation. The editor, then, was Boris Johnson.
    There is no sign that the Prime Minister has changed his mind about the need for an amnesty since he embarked on his political career. On the contrary, he made the case for this when he was Mayor of London and returned to this theme during the later stages of the Leave campaign. The dilemma he now faces is easy to understand. As this magazine argued in a cover article earlier this year, he needs to win over Brexit party voters, so he may be tempted to sound tough on migration and quietly bury his support for an amnesty. But the case is there to be made.
    The main objection is that people who broke the law in coming here ought not to be rewarded. But this position overlooks the complexities of modern migration patterns and the number of people affected. Ben James, for example, was a child when he was brought here. Other ‘illegals’ have had families and found jobs; they pay taxes. David Wood, a former head of immigration enforcement at the Home Office, has estimated that there are now 1.2 million undocumented migrants in the UK — more than the population of Birmingham. For the UK government to be theoretically committed to their expulsion is an absurdity.
    An amnesty would not increase the actual population of Britain (as opposed to the official population): these people are living here anyway. What it would do is bring them out of the black economy, make it more likely that they will pay tax, and give them a greater incentive to make a contribution to civic life.
    There is now ample evidence to show that amnesties strengthen society. Ronald Reagan offered an amnesty to illegal immigrants in 1986, and studies show that they were then far better able to integrate into society: their language skills increased, and their wages rose by up to 25 per cent as they were able to escape the unregulated, exploitation-ridden shadow economy. A 2005 amnesty in Spain raised an extra €4,000 of tax revenue for every naturalised citizen.
    An amnesty would not mean that we stop policing the borders. A commonsense line can be drawn between those who have lived here for several years, and those who have not put down roots, who can be removed in a way that deters illegal immigration. The pressure group Migration Watch UK has argued that amnesties encourage more illegal immigration — but any amnesty could require a qualification period of ten years’ residency. That is unlikely to offer much temptation. The problem is that for years UK authorities have been pursuing those who are living and working peacefully, rather than focusing on criminals and smuggling gangs. Much of this stems from a failure of politicians to talk about this rationally.
    The Prime Minister is accused by his enemies of being a cynic who bends his principles to the prevailing wind. But he made the unpopular case for an amnesty as London Mayor, did not resile from it as Foreign Secretary and has made supportive noises since moving into 10 Downing Street. It would not be so radical given that, in practice, there are already routes to citizenship for many illegal migrants. The next step should be to formalise this, on generous yet practical terms, and put it in the 2019 Tory manifesto.
    This would be a bold expression of the Prime Minister’s personal brand of liberal Conservatism, and of the version of Brexit he articulated in the Leave campaign. An amnesty would carry political risk, but so does any worthwhile reform. He is already persuaded of the principle. We now need the policy.
     
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    This isn’t a great look... Get Brexit done though, for some reason we can’t remember.

     
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    What did Labour classes teach Keith Vaz? :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    He skipped them!
     
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    Good old Borisov
     
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    Oh dear thats 2 now in 12 hours.

    A Labourgeneral election candidate has quit after it emerged she likened the actions of the Israeli government to those of a child abuser

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...esign-corbyn-israel-child-abuse-a9193926.html

    Breaking
    Clayton-on-sea Labour candidate Gideon Bull has pulled out from standing in the General Election but denies calling a Jewish Councillor ‘Shylock’ in a Council meeting.

    I’m sure Labour don’t have a problem with Jews and the deniers won’t believe this. <doh> I said it was rotten from top to bottom.
    Unelectable.
     
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    The Jewish Chronicle newspaper pleaded with its readers not to vote for Jeremy CorbynPETER POWELL/EPA
    Britain’s biggest Jewish newspaper has pleaded with the public not to vote for Jeremy Corbyn, accusing him of “racist views”.

    The Jewish Chronicle said that throughout his career Mr Corbyn had “allied with and supported antisemites” and accused him of having “actively impeded action against racists”.

    In a front-page editorial directed at non-Jews, the newspaper highlighted a poll which found that nearly half of the Jewish community said they would seriously consider emigrating if Mr Corbyn became prime minister.

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    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    That was a very interesting comment from that Jewish lady on QT last night. She echoes the family on my street.
     
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    I think we all know there are cases of antisemitism within the labour party, just as we know that there are cases of islamaphobia within the Tory Party. We also know that Borisov is racist, homophobic and sexist. We will vote for who we vote for. Simples
     
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    If you just keep repeating lies, some simple people will fall for them! He doesnt even understand his own deal. God help the UKKR
     
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    The problem is people are just brushing this under the carpet.
    Boris saying something stupid (and people will argue that it was taken out of context) and then saying the Tories are Islamophobic is wrong. How many more examples do we need from labour. That's 5 incidents this week. I don't hear of Tories quitting or councils saying don't vote for them each day.
    People need to stop covering up for Corbyn and the Labour party.
     
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