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Which right or principle enshrined in EU law do they expect to rely on? It's a matter for national governments to regulate domestic contracts of employment. But then they do have the freedom to vote to change the government. That'll help when the next Labour government, whenever that may happen, also refuses to interfere in a contractual dispute between a private sector employer and its workforce.
I can prove that I'm not, Wiz. I don't teach geography, I don't have patches on my jacket elbows and I'm only a **** for part of each day.
Assume on those occasions, you eat gob loads of tofu and insist on wearing socks under your sandals
They'll only need to put their socks under their sandals if they need to skate to vote in a winter election.
Although I absolutely agree with this, the left are somewhat holier than thou but I do think the Tories are now pandering so much to the hard right with their rogues gallery of cabinet ministers it really is hard not to hate them or respect anything they say. Johnson is an awful man surrounded by awful people who serve themselves and their party way, way before their country or constituents. Don't get me wrong I'm no Corbyn fan either but I see no good in this government delivering a hard Brexit and us having to trust they stick to the things they left out of the legally binding agreement with EU.
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As far as I can see there’s a deal on the table, though, Frome. From my distance, the opposition is twofold:
There’s Farage and the Brexit Party types that hate the proposed deal because it’s not a Hard Brexit; and
There’s the Remainer-types and career opportunist opposition that seem to mainly criticise those areas in the proposed deal that keep certain aspects of the U.K. machinery in step with the EU, rather than those aspects that are breakaway (fears over employment rights excepted).
Given this, I’d have said the proposed deal was therefore pretty close to delivering something akin to what that ‘sole Referendum voter’ wanted, who on the smallest of margins (52/48) went for Leave.
Farage is frankly an arse for pushing for No Deal. If we have a Hard Brexit then what happens next? At some point we’d then have to strike deals with other territories, including the EU. I would guess that any EU import/export deal would come with some adherence to regulatory standards etc. as one would expect trading anywhere.
Those opposing the proposed deal should at least be honest about their motives for this. The Nambies are clear that they want to stop Brexit entirely. Apparently, this is ‘taking back democracy’ also I’m not clear from whom and for whom. But where the **** does HM Opposition actual stand? What does Corbyn actually believe in as far as the EU and Brexit is concerned?
One moment Remainers argue that there shouldn’t have been a Referendum in the first place (which I actually agree with) because we’re a parliamentary democracy, so we should let our ‘better qualified’ elected public servants decide upon such things for us. They rejoice because said servants have repeatedly thwarted the Brexit process. But then they also call for another referendum because parliament should ‘put it to the people’.
Good here, innit?
What Johnson has agreed is a Hard Brexit Uber, better than No Deal only inasmuch as there is a transition period. The ERG loons like it because they see it as route to No Deal at the end of 2020.
Have you read it in its entirety?
You were questioning whether it was fundamentally different to May’s deal earlier, Strolls, and we both said we’d have gone for that.
How can it be a Hard Brexit if there’s a run up?
No, have you? I have read enough to have a reasonable understanding..
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Its all a bit of a shambles really, neither side comes out of this smelling of roses. Although I believe Brexit in any way shape or form is a fundamentally bad idea the best way out of it is with a deal, I don't think Johnson's is that deal though and the things he's left to his political declaration worries me.
I'd agree the Referendum shouldn't have been held, particularly as it's purpose was just to unite the various bastards in the Tory party, something it failed miserably at.
The worse thing though was May pig headedly triggering article 50 totally unnecessarily and then not making any attempt to work cross party to get a deal.
We are where we are though, god knows where it all ends. Personally I am all for another Referendum over a GE, if people genuinely still want Brexit then that will out in the vote. What we have currently should never have been termed the 'will of the people' given how close the vote was and the numbers who didn't vote (were they happy with the status quo? Who knows?). I hope one day to never hear the word Brexit again but that ain't happening any time soon.
Any way peace out it's beer o'clock.
How can you say, then, that It represents in any way the 52:48? It's Hard Brexit pure and simple, no consideration of the 48.
I agree with you there should never have been a Referendum in the first place. Talk about a monumental F*** Up! I want Brexit stopped entirely sure, so Revoke Article 50 and its done, sorted. But all of you that voted Leave will pull your hair out and fart in your beers, so to be fair, in the spirit of compromise, that one Referendum needs reversing by another to make things fair. I reckon too the Parliament that is in place now could compromise, and vote to to Leave the EU, but Remain in the Single Market, if they were given the chance. A compromise I remember you posting would be acceptable to you, as it would be for me, and I suspect a few million others.
Yeah, a Norway type deal. Why the hell not?
I thought everybody farted in their beer?
i was doing a Boris
I don’t care anymore.
We’re all gonna die, so let’s get high.
I gather Boris too hadn't read the section about NI, the North/South border down the sea east of N.Ireland, and the large tariffs small businesses there will have to pay to import goods from England, Wales and Scotland as long as the latter are in the UK, under this agreement. He said in the H.of C., pounding his chest, that there was none of this in his Deal. The Union would remain! I saw on the news today how happy the DUP are with Boris Liar and their Tory benefactors, quoting Boris at their Conference a year ago saying a Tory Government would never put a border there.