Serious takeover talk

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speculation time again here folks...so no quoting anything i post as anykind of fact, okay?

so, IF Mr Short has been involved in some way, this could well explain quite a lot if you think about it, he knows he relied on the wrong people to help run his club (as it was then) and he knows this is why it all went wrong for him.

IF he was offering any sort of advice then he most certainly would be triple stressing the 'get the right people in' part...it is probably the easiest thing (for people with the money) to just throw loads of that money into a club to try to mke is a success but he has found out the hard way that there is far more needed than that, so these 'delays' over staffing could be down to them taking that advice seriously...which will benefit the club long term.

i never thought Mr Short did not 'get' this club but he had had enough of it all.
 
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wtdog said:
Don't shoot etc but I was told tonight that Ellis Short is far more heavily involved in the club still than we realise.
This came from a local journalist who I know..
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I've said this since the start. The clues are very much out in the open.
 
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Essayyeffcee said:
Any chance you could elaborate on that? Not saying you're wrong but I mustn't been looking that closely
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Just more the links and things to think about. I'm not for one minute saying I'm right, but here goes....

Short is very successful in his world of work in terms of his investments and properties, but in Sunderland he had an investment that was failing and he wanted rid of it. It was costing him lots of money and add that to the fact that the customer base had enough of him.

In his other areas of work he has a relationship through one of his properties with a marketing and PR business. Check out Dragon Advisory and Skibo Castle.

He knows that he needs to do a good PR job to be able to get the customer base back on board in order to improve the value of the asset he wants rid of.

The owner of the PR business is a big football fan and had links to a takeover attempt of a club elsewhere. That person also has a good connection with a successful business owner who has improved the financial and commercial aspect of a non league club.

Put those pieces together and consider the financial information that has been published in terms of debt write off, need for investment, role of the parachute payments, cost of the club, use of the word custodian etc.

I'm not for one minute accusing anyone of any wrong doing, just outlining the reasons that Short will have found the proposition of the current owners appealing.
 
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Ned Doig said:
Just more the links and things to think about. I'm not for one minute saying I'm right, but here goes....

Short is very successful in his world of work in terms of his investments and properties, however in Sunderland he had an investment that was failing and he wanted rid of it. It was costing him lots of money and add that to the fact that the customer base had enough of him.

In his other areas of work he has a relationship through one of his properties with a marketing and PR business. Check out Dragon Advisory and Skibo Castle.

He knows that he needs to do a good PR job to be able to get the customer base back on board in order to improve the value of the asset he wants rid of.

The owner of the PR business is a big football fan and had links to a takeover attempt of a club elsewhere. That person also has a good connection with a successful business owner who has improved the financial and commercial aspect of a non league club.

Put those pieces together and consider the financial information that has been published in terms of debt write off, need for investment, role of the parachute payments, cost of the club, use of the word custodian etc.

I'm not for one minute accusing anyone of any wrong doing, just outlining the reasons that Short will have found the proposition of the current owners appealing.
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Now you've put it like that, it does kinda make sense - would like to think you're right mate! :emoticon-0100-smile
 
Ned Doig said:
Just more the links and things to think about. I'm not for one minute saying I'm right, but here goes....

Short is very successful in his world of work in terms of his investments and properties, but in Sunderland he had an investment that was failing and he wanted rid of it. It was costing him lots of money and add that to the fact that the customer base had enough of him.

In his other areas of work he has a relationship through one of his properties with a marketing and PR business. Check out Dragon Advisory and Skibo Castle.

He knows that he needs to do a good PR job to be able to get the customer base back on board in order to improve the value of the asset he wants rid of.

The owner of the PR business is a big football fan and had links to a takeover attempt of a club elsewhere. That person also has a good connection with a successful business owner who has improved the financial and commercial aspect of a non league club.

Put those pieces together and consider the financial information that has been published in terms of debt write off, need for investment, role of the parachute payments, cost of the club, use of the word custodian etc.

I'm not for one minute accusing anyone of any wrong doing, just outlining the reasons that Short will have found the proposition of the current owners appealing.
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Just a guess but i wouldn't be at all surprised if he's a "silent investor" in Madrox. Only the directors get listed on companies house :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
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Nice to see short starting to get some of the plaudits he rightly deserves.
He put in a lot ( wasted?l) of his own money trying to make us a big player but sadly other than BSA ( conversely one of the more unpopular choices of manager ) was the only one who had a clue. BSA has his detractors but when you think what he got for 15m ( Kobe, khazri and kirchoff ) and how they responded to him.
That all 3 were subsequently demonised by moyes was a real pi55er.
If things do get back to where we want ( premier league ) it would be nice to see short back in some capacity.
 
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Ozzymac said:
Didn't know that but i'd still be surprised if he wasn't involved at all.

The hotel that Bumblebee linked earlier is part of the Hilton group, what's the name of the hotel aoutside the SOL?
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Thats the hotel MSD partners own, bought it last year for £1 billion I think
 
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6inarow said:
I was reading somewhere that it is now ranked amongst the top 10 hotels / resorts in the U.S.
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When I was taken there by a friend it was the result of a bet, (between him and his business partner) that we would not be able to gain entry as it had a rigorously enforced members/guest only policy at that time.

We did, after I made an appointment to check out their facilities for a potential conference and an enjoyable (and expensive) evening was spent by us + partners in their Italian restaurant - sorry, I can't remember what it was called.
 
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