1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    39,278
    Likes Received:
    39,194
    Errrm. TSS and I, we discovered some time ago, both attended the Dell for the first time for the same match, against Man City on 22nd August 1966! He is a few years younger than me, but not that much!
     
    #20281
  2. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    20,889
    Likes Received:
    31,949
    I was being polite ;)

    I may be about 30 years or so out :)
     
    #20282
    TheSecondStain likes this.
  3. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    39,383
    Likes Received:
    8,819
    Hmm, well belated. But I'll enjoy it. :)
     
    #20283
    thereisonlyoneno7 likes this.
  4. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    39,383
    Likes Received:
    8,819
    #20284
    AberdeenSaint likes this.
  5. Farked19

    Farked19 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2019
    Messages:
    5,621
    Likes Received:
    4,145

    Sorry if my personalisation offended. Arlene is however a truly despicable person, rivalling Pfeffel and Trump for nastiness. By contrast Ruth Davidson isn't a stunner but despite being a Tory nevertheless comes across as quite a decent type. I think that Archer's point that Ms. Foster's ugliness of personality is reflected in her attack dog appearance has some merit.

    On Pfeffel himself I would paraphrase Peter Crouch: "What would you have been if you had not been Prime Minister?" - A virgin!
     
    #20285
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2019
    TheSecondStain likes this.
  6. VocalMinority

    VocalMinority Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,109
    Likes Received:
    3,745
    Just read Johnson's letter. I dont know if there was another document sent with it as it wasnt actually that detailed.

    Anyone point out the hypocrisy of his paragraph on consent of everyone affected by the customs alignment.
    He says everyone affected but only offers a veto to the DUP. Nothing to the EU and Ireland.

    Secondly this veto is basically saying ithey get a vote on whether to leave the customs alignment. And if they refuse to leave, they will have to vote again every 4 years until they do. Is he calling this democratic now? I could have sworn he said something different about voting like that recently :huh:
     
    #20286
  7. AberdeenSaint

    AberdeenSaint Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    3,978
    Likes Received:
    3,616
    Davidson`s sole agenda seemed to be trying to score points off the SNP. To her credit (although there may be other reasons), she had the self respect to quit when spaffer got full speed into despot mode.
     
    #20287
  8. Farked19

    Farked19 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2019
    Messages:
    5,621
    Likes Received:
    4,145
    This is what the liar does. " everyone now just wants to get this done" that probably applies to <40% of the population. His natural inclination is to lie. The irony is that most of those applauding him refer to Bliar!
     
    #20288
  9. Dell1964

    Dell1964 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2017
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    181
    Wrong mnemonic F19, surely you meant B.L.A.I.R.......
     
    #20289
  10. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    9,598
    Likes Received:
    2,763
    To be fair Godders............Brinkworth was right about not being called a facist or racist or whatever. It is easy to put him into this kind of category because they have a different view to you but would suggest that he is entitled to his view and is due respect for that view. If you are opposed to his view fair enough......but enough of the name calling please.
     
    #20290
    Brinkworth Saint likes this.

  11. Farked19

    Farked19 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2019
    Messages:
    5,621
    Likes Received:
    4,145
    She clearly did score points, and indeed seats, off the SNP. That seems now to be about to come home to roost. Scotland will, whenever the election comes go blue. The trouble for Pfeffel is that it will be dark blue with a white cross.
     
    #20291
  12. Dell1964

    Dell1964 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2017
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    181
    Err, veto goes to the "Stormont Assembly" (i.e the defacto NI government) or if, failing that, a NI Referendum would be held accordingly!
     
    #20292
  13. VocalMinority

    VocalMinority Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,109
    Likes Received:
    3,745
    It going to stormont gives DUP a veto. It also gives sinn fein a veto as I understand it. I could be wrong. But that wasnt my point

    In that section I was talking about how he didn't include an mechanism for Ireland or the EU to end the arrangement in his take it or leave it deal despite them clearly being affected by the irish border as well.
     
    #20293
  14. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    39,383
    Likes Received:
    8,819
    I have no argument that she is the person you describe. But her looks have nothing to do with it. So, let's keep it real. <ok>
     
    #20294
  15. Dell1964

    Dell1964 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2017
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    181
    Ireland (and to a certain extent the EU) have, in over THREE YEARS, have failed to understand that they will have to deal with THEIR OWN BORDER Issuesif there is a "No Deal" scenario.
    That effectively negates the need for the UK offer to give them an input into UK affairs once the UK has left.
    Subsequently, the EU (AND Ireland) will need to react positively to agree the 'free trade' deal that they have espoused about, and that will ONLY be negotiated AFTER the withdrawal process has been agreed.
     
    #20295
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2019
  16. AberdeenSaint

    AberdeenSaint Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    3,978
    Likes Received:
    3,616
    I suspect you are right Farked - I`ll be voting tactically for the first time ever however, to get rid of the loathsome Johnson and his cronies, and to stay in the EU - in what ever form those elections/referendums take place.
     
    #20296
  17. VocalMinority

    VocalMinority Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,109
    Likes Received:
    3,745
    You realise a border involves two countries, right?

    If Ireland unilaterally cancel the border arrangement it affects us too. It also works the other way around.
    Thus, an arrangement needs to be place with input from both sides. Nothing unilateral.
     
    #20297
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2019
  18. Dell1964

    Dell1964 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2017
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    181
    Err, you seem to be forgetting that the UK has stated many, many times now that they have NO INTENTION of having a "hard border" anywhere on the island of Ireland.
    Spookily both Ireland & the EU of stated the same during the last two years or more....... just saying.

    So who would build your (presumed) hard border ?
     
    #20298
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2019
  19. VocalMinority

    VocalMinority Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,109
    Likes Received:
    3,745
    Boris's deal doesn't have a hard border as far as I know? I believe we are asking ireland to build customs check points around the country but that's about it. I don't know what you are getting at.
     
    #20299
  20. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    Messages:
    16,131
    Likes Received:
    21,272
    Boris’ border seems, to me, like a supermarket having tills in the middle of the shop and some more somewhere outside hoping that everyone will visit one or the other.
    I’m not sure everyone would and shoplifting, or in the border issue, smuggling would be rife.
     
    #20300
    VocalMinority likes this.

Share This Page