Off Topic The cycling on tram lines thread...

[GLP]

I love how they slag off Hull. Sheffield is ****ing ****e - I’ve never liked the place. A city that builds a ‘tram’ network around the City and can’t understand why there’s a massive increase in cycling injuries at hospitals in the area citing tram tracks as the cause

 

[Amin Arrears]

I love how they slag off Hull. Sheffield is ****ing ****e - I’ve never liked the place. A city that builds a ‘tram’ network around the City and can’t understand why there’s a massive increase in cycling injuries at hospitals in the area citing tram tracks as the cause

Doesn’t that raise the question, why chuffing cycle if you can get a tram. Or at the very least why cycle over tram tracks when you know they’re going to put you in hospital...

 

[Barchullona]

I love how they slag off Hull. Sheffield is ****ing ****e - I’ve never liked the place. A city that builds a ‘tram’ network around the City and can’t understand why there’s a massive increase in cycling injuries at hospitals in the area citing tram tracks as the cause

They seem to cope well enough with cycling and trams co-existing in Amsterdam and elsewhere all over Europe.

 

[GLP]

They seem to cope well enough with cycling and trams co-existing in Amsterdam and elsewhere all over Europe.

Not in Sheffield.

 

[originallambrettaman]

They seem to cope well enough with cycling and trams co-existing in Amsterdam and elsewhere all over Europe.

Amsterdam has a major problem with cyclist accidents involving tram tracks.

In fact they have a major problem with cycling accidents in general, mainly because nobody wears helmets and accident outcomes are therefore more severe.

In the Netherlands, approximately 70,000 patients are treated annually in an emergency department after a bicycle injury. Of these patients, almost 10,000 are admitted to a hospital and approximately two hundred patients die as a result of their injuries (last year, for the first time ever, the Netherlands had more cycling fatalities, than motoring ones).

 

[WonderingWednesday]

I love how they slag off Hull. Sheffield is ****ing ****e - I’ve never liked the place. A city that builds a ‘tram’ network around the City and can’t understand why there’s a massive increase in cycling injuries at hospitals in the area citing tram tracks as the cause

Literally logged in to have a quick glance at confidence levels etc before tonight’s game (if it happens with the weather) and then stumble upon this piece of absolute twaddle.

I love how they slag off Hull. Sheffield is ****ing ****e - I’ve never liked the place. A city that builds a ‘tram’ network around the City and can’t understand why there’s a massive increase in cycling injuries at hospitals in the area citing tram tracks as the cause

Literally logged in to check your confidence levels before tonight and stumble upon this drivel.

Firstly, it’s a tram network, not a ‘tram’. We don’t have things flying around pretending to be trams.

Secondly, they adorn the middle of the roads. Any accident relating to a cyclist will invariably be the cyclists fault.

The actual reason for the rise in cycle related incidents within the City boundaries is actually due to the increased levels of cycle lanes and student uptake.

Don’t let a complete lack of knowledge stop you from posting drivel though. Same as the ‘slag off Hull’ comment.

We have no rivalry or bitterness towards Hull as, historically, we have none with you.

To the normal Hull fans, all the best for the season.

 

[GLP]

Literally logged in to have a quick glance at confidence levels etc before tonight’s game (if it happens with the weather) and then stumble upon this piece of absolute twaddle.

Literally logged in to check your confidence levels before tonight and stumble upon this drivel.

Firstly, it’s a tram network, not a ‘tram’. We don’t have things flying around pretending to be trams.

Secondly, they adorn the middle of the roads. Any accident relating to a cyclist will invariably be the cyclists fault.

The actual reason for the rise in cycle related incidents within the City boundaries is actually due to the increased levels of cycle lanes and student uptake.

Don’t let a complete lack of knowledge stop you from posting drivel though. Same as the ‘slag off Hull’ comment.

We have no rivalry or bitterness towards Hull as, historically, we have none with you.

To the normal Hull fans, all the best for the season.

Have a look on your own board fella. Loads of ****e on it. It’s actual fact the people concerned worked for the NHS in South Yorkshire at the time the tram network was being built and they couldn’t understand the dramatic increase in arm fractures mainly from cyclists getting wheels trapped in tram tracks.

This was in the period of time the tram system/network was being built. Early/Mid 90s? I went out with a lass from Sheffield for about 4 years. I have spent a lot of time over that way.

Seems ridiculous, but it’s absolutely true.

It seems like you’ll be wondering every ****ing day.

Happy to help.

 

[AlRawdah]

Amsterdam has a major problem with cyclist accidents involving tram tracks.

In fact they have a major problem with cycling accidents in general, mainly because nobody wears helmets and accident outcomes are therefore more severe.

In the Netherlands, approximately 70,000 patients are treated annually in an emergency department after a bicycle injury. Of these patients, almost 10,000 are admitted to a hospital and approximately two hundred patients die as a result of their injuries (last year, for the first time ever, the Netherlands had more cycling fatalities, than motoring ones).

Bringing facts to a Daily Express headline fight. Will you ever learn?

 

[Barchullona]

Amsterdam has a major problem with cyclist accidents involving tram tracks.

In fact they have a major problem with cycling accidents in general, mainly because nobody wears helmets and accident outcomes are therefore more severe.

In the Netherlands, approximately 70,000 patients are treated annually in an emergency department after a bicycle injury. Of these patients, almost 10,000 are admitted to a hospital and approximately two hundred patients die as a result of their injuries (last year, for the first time ever, the Netherlands had more cycling fatalities, than motoring ones).

Reading the report on that nowhere does it attribute this to tram tracks.

https://nltimes.nl/2018/04/25/cyclists-motorists-killed-netherlands-traffic-accidents

 

[Barchullona]

Bringing facts to a Daily Express headline fight. Will you ever learn?

Except those “facts” don’t mention it being due to cyclists getting stuck in tram tracks.

 

[DMD]

Amsterdam has a major problem with cyclist accidents involving tram tracks.

In fact they have a major problem with cycling accidents in general, mainly because nobody wears helmets and accident outcomes are therefore more severe.

In the Netherlands, approximately 70,000 patients are treated annually in an emergency department after a bicycle injury. Of these patients, almost 10,000 are admitted to a hospital and approximately two hundred patients die as a result of their injuries (last year, for the first time ever, the Netherlands had more cycling fatalities, than motoring ones).

There is plenty of legal and scientific evidence to show that your comment about helmets is false. 'Evidence' from surgeons can generally be discounted, as they are not accident investigators, and the method of gathering the data has flaws.

 

[Barchullona]

There is plenty of legal and scientific evidence to show that your comment about helmets is false. 'Evidence' from surgeons can generally be discounted, as they are not accident investigators, and the method of gathering the data has flaws.

He hasn’t shown any evidence there is a major problem with cyclists and tram tracks in Amsterdam yet.

 

[originallambrettaman]

There is plenty of legal and scientific evidence to show that your comment about helmets is false. 'Evidence' from surgeons can generally be discounted, as they are not accident investigators, and the method of gathering the data has flaws.

My brother in law just died, following a seizure he suffered on holiday, as a direct result of a brain injury he received in a cycling accident two years ago. You've no chance of convincing me that helmets do not save lives, his neurosurgeon said it would almost certainly have prevented his brain injury.

 

[originallambrettaman]

He hasn’t shown any evidence there is a major problem with cyclists and tram tracks in Amsterdam yet.

What this study does show is that tram tracks as a part of the public road can lead to potentially dangerous situations for cyclists. Many injuries were severe and required an operative intervention. One patient died as a consequence of his injuries. Although this injury mechanism with on-road tram tracks is very dependent on the local traffic situation, the results of this study might be relevant for other international cities with on-road tram tracks or for cities considering trams as a part of their local transport infrastructure. Awareness of the potential danger of on-road tram tracks is essential for policy makers. To reduce the number of casualties and to increase the safety of bicyclists, roads for cyclists and trams should be segregated (2). If this is cannot be realized, another possible intervention could be the placement of rubber linings within the tram gutter, making it difficult for bicycle wheels to get trapped in them (14). Additionally, more attention could be given to education and warning of cyclists. Cameron et al. showed a sharp decline in the level of cycling injuries after a period of local media attention (8). Finally, it is not obligated to wear helmets whilst cycling in the Netherlands. Though the mandatory use of helmets is still under debate, it is thought to reduce the incidence and the severity of brain injuries amongst cyclists (2, 15). However, helmet use will have no effect on extremity injuries, which comprised a substantial amount of injuries in our population.

In conclusion, tram tracks on public roads are potentially dangerous and can lead to serious injuries and even mortality amongst cyclist. Extremity and neurological injuries are the most common injuries and frequently need an operation. Awareness of the potential danger of on-road tram tracks for cyclists is essential. Alteration of infrastructural situations or other preventive measures might decrease the incidence of these injuries and should therefore be considered.

This study was approved by the Medical Ethics Review Committee of the VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4310015/

 

[GLP]

Except those “facts” don’t mention it being due to cyclists getting stuck in tram tracks.

They have fatter tram track resistant tyres in Holland. I thought everyone knew that?

 

[GLP]

There is plenty of legal and scientific evidence to show that your comment about helmets is false. 'Evidence' from surgeons can generally be discounted, as they are not accident investigators, and the method of gathering the data has flaws.

Where? How can wearing a helmet not be of benefit?

 

[DMD]

My brother in law just died, following a seizure he suffered on holiday, as a direct result of a brain injury he received in a cycling accident two years ago. You've no chance of convincing me that helmets do not save lives, his neurosurgeon said it would almost certainly have prevented his brain injury.

I didn't doubt you'd not want to accept the evidence, but there it is.

 

[Barchullona]

What this study does show is that tram tracks as a part of the public road can lead to potentially dangerous situations for cyclists. Many injuries were severe and required an operative intervention. One patient died as a consequence of his injuries. Although this injury mechanism with on-road tram tracks is very dependent on the local traffic situation, the results of this study might be relevant for other international cities with on-road tram tracks or for cities considering trams as a part of their local transport infrastructure. Awareness of the potential danger of on-road tram tracks is essential for policy makers. To reduce the number of casualties and to increase the safety of bicyclists, roads for cyclists and trams should be segregated (2). If this is cannot be realized, another possible intervention could be the placement of rubber linings within the tram gutter, making it difficult for bicycle wheels to get trapped in them (14). Additionally, more attention could be given to education and warning of cyclists. Cameron et al. showed a sharp decline in the level of cycling injuries after a period of local media attention (8). Finally, it is not obligated to wear helmets whilst cycling in the Netherlands. Though the mandatory use of helmets is still under debate, it is thought to reduce the incidence and the severity of brain injuries amongst cyclists (2, 15). However, helmet use will have no effect on extremity injuries, which comprised a substantial amount of injuries in our population.

In conclusion, tram tracks on public roads are potentially dangerous and can lead to serious injuries and even mortality amongst cyclist. Extremity and neurological injuries are the most common injuries and frequently need an operation. Awareness of the potential danger of on-road tram tracks for cyclists is essential. Alteration of infrastructural situations or other preventive measures might decrease the incidence of these injuries and should therefore be considered.

This study was approved by the Medical Ethics Review Committee of the VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4310015/

So, in the many cities with far larger tram systems than Amsterdam there will be absolute carnage?

None of what you quote shows that Amsterdam has a particular problem.

Was it a bloodbath in the cycling capital of the UK when Hull had trams?

 

[Barchullona]

They have fatter tram track resistant tyres in Holland. I thought everyone knew that?

Link?

 

[GLP]

Link?

www.google.co.uk