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The var thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Libby, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Cos var said so.

    VAR removes all the doubt <ok>
     
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    ----HistoryRepeating---- Well-Known Member

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    Still feels subjective, still feels like it can go either way. Still feels like it will lean towards the biggest clubs.
    But...................I am so pleased we benefited from the first game where it played a key part. I've been haunted by thoughts of us having a couple of goals disallowed because of some real bizarre inconsequential stages of play. I have to remind myself VAR hasn't been implemented to upset me, well not just me! <laugh>
     
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  3. Osvaldorama

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    With the city and spurs non-penalties today (which imo should have both been given), would VAR have overruled the penalty decision?

    In my opinion, if the ref had given either of those, they still would have stood. Which makes VAR pointless as it's up to the ref anyway.
     
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  4. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Penalties are often a matter of opinion....haven't seen the incidents being discussed, but most penalty decisions divide the fan base. Therefore, VAR is only being used for clear and obvious errors so as not to undermine the ref on the field. I don't know how it works, but for penalty decisions I think different angles should be looked at, but not in slo-mo which exaggerates things and produces distortion. Anyone who has seen low catches in cricket will understand that.
     
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  5. SaintsForTheWin

    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    The spurs one to me was clear and obvious. If it wasn’t given for saints I would be fuming
     
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  6. Osvaldorama

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    Same for me, it was an accident that he fell into him, but he took both of Kane's legs away!
     
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    Seen the Kane incident. Not enough in that to overturn the on field decision for me.
     
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  8. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Oh yeah, it's absolutely vital that we stick to the clear and obvious mantra.


    Well except for offsides of course which we'll analyse to the furthest forward hair particle even if it takes an hour.

    Oh and except for handballs in the box* where any touch is an instant foul*.

    *But only for the attacking team, if it strikes a defenders arm then it will have to be looked at again and judged by a different set of rules.

    VAR was obviously bought in for the absolute howlers, and this is shown by some aspects of the game being completely re-refereed, and others where we're too afraid to overturn the referees original decision, or even make one that the refs missed.




    Clear? Obvious? Not ****ing really.
     
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    Again, it's not VAR, it's the rules. For the disallowed Man City goal last week, the ball hit a City arm so it HAD to be disallowed - no leeway in that whatsoever. The only incident that I think VAR got wrong was the penalty appeal for City today. I thought that was clear enough to award a pen. As for offside, it doesn't matter how tight it is, if it's offside it's offside. Again, no leeway with that.
     
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  10. SaintsForTheWin

    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    Rubbish. The defender took away Kane’s standing leg for shooting. Penalty all day long.

    9 times out of 10, that is given
     
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    So VAR can't give it then.
     
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  12. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    The handball thing yes but the rest of the my point isn't rules but var itself, it's being overused in some areas and not used correctly in others.

    City had a blatant pen turned down last week as well btw, from a corner too which the ref wasn't looking at.

    Did any ref decisions get overturned this weekend? If not that's 30 matches without a single referee decision being overturned.
     
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  13. tomw24

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    Martin Atkinson awarded a goal that was overturned for a foul in the Norwich v Chelsea game.
     
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  14. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Cheers, was that an overturn though as in the ref saw the incident and decided no foul, or was it something that the ref missed in the build up n var picked up?

    Genuinely asking as not seen any highlights from yesterday except ours.
     
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    Goals are auto reviewed now though. Friend gave the Brighton goal this weekend initially aswell
     
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  16. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Yeah that's why I asked, not really the same as overturning a pen decision.
     
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    What makes you say that? Honest question... both the guys legs were swept before he could shoot
     
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  18. tomw24

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    The defender slipped. Any contact can be seen as entirely unintentional. It could have been a pen but I don't think you can overturn the on field decision. The Man City one however should have been given by VAR.
     
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  19. Osvaldorama

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    So in the law, a foul in the box has to be intentional for it to be a penalty?

    I'm shocked at that. I thought it just had to be a denial of a goal scoring opportunity
     
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  20. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Anything that 'impedes an opponent with contact' is a foul according to the FA's website.
     
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