An open letter from Ehab...

[highpeak tiger]

I don’t believe the Allams & don’t trust them. Their personal characteristics are the same as they have always been. They have got away with so much, that they should not have done. Concessions were a piss take, the name-change is a forever piss take. When they reverse something it is done with a false largesse but isn’t challenged. /QUOTE]

Well said

 

[Fez]

Firstly, I read posts and pick up on what folk say: you should try it. Who are the “We” that your opinion thinks have moved on from using the Allams as a reason to not attend?

Your in out style of going or not going using the Allams as an excuse when it suits may be good for you but for others the Allams are the reason some no longer attend home games. Me going will have no impact on either Allam or the supporters at the ground but it’ll have an impact on me, my values & my principles.

I don’t believe the Allams & don’t trust them. Their personal characteristics are the same as they have always been. They have got away with so much, that they should not have done. Concessions were a piss take, the name-change is a forever piss take. When they reverse something it is done with a false largesse but isn’t challenged.

I don’t attend because they treat you like ****e, they abuse goodwill and they are as disingenuous a pair as you will ever meet. Their actions over a number of years has robbed them of any moral high ground. The club pretend to listen to the fans and can claim to be working with them - they are not. Being ambivalent must stop at some point when it is damaging your club, which I and many more (both supporters and otherwise) believe it is doing. It comes across that it has been forgotten who the enemy is in all of this.

Many clubs are run poorly but what makes Hull City different is the owners; they are a disease that has taken control and infected our club, which makes it even worse than most others. Maybe that infection will leave, maybe the club will sort itself out, I don't know, but I believe that there are many who live a whole lot closer than my 150 miles who react in the same way.

I begrudge putting a single penny into the Allam coffers while he progresses his campaign against the club, so I don't. I don't expect anyone else to follow my particular example. I’ll be back when the owners change. I bet they won't tell us it is a gift to the City or that they will make football as free as the air that we breath; do you? Do you think a new owner will demand ownership of the KCOM for £0 and I very much doubt they will try to change the name or rob the young and old - do you?

Whether or not I will attend any games, home or away, is totally unimportant to me, as the owners have destroyed the joy I felt in the occasion and the commitment I had to make to travel to it. Again, sad but true; but life goes on. I stopped attending as my own personal point of principle, rather than a protest ... at least, for me, that principle remains intact.

So, we are not really so far apart.

I only offered an opinion, not a directive. Agreeing, or not, would be better served provoking discussion, rather than the usual vitriol and rather tired cliques that still spoil this board. Maybe cliques is too organised a term, but we see it.
You summed up the Allams quite adequately, so why, now we have spent the time giving, bending and generally being nice guys, do we still use them as a reason not to support our club? Especially if supporting our club is what we want to do. Play with symantics, but deal with what is available.
Gradually they are winning their fight against supporters. Think about it.

 

[Fez]

In your opinion "We have moved on". 'We' haven't.

Fair comment; we disagree. Such is life.

 

[Fez]

Exactly how is it ? Why are you insinuating "supporters" have moved on from saying the Allams actions are no longer a valid reason for non attendance ?
Are you just presenting an argument biased towards what your own opinion is ? Evidence would be helpful, not just a statement that a couple of posters on here seem to agree with your comments.

Fine. I accept your challenge, but sometime tomorrow.

 

[Kempton]

We often but heads on here, but I admire your stance and the fact your are sticking to it, even if I don't fully agree with it.... One thing I'd like to ask is did you stop going when we had other awful owners that you didn't like/agree with? If not...why stop now and not then?

I didn't stop going under Fish, Buchanan/Hinchcliffe, or even Lloyd, the **** him. But then they were relatively easy to get rid of.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

I didn't stop going under Fish, Buchanan/Hinchcliffe, or even Lloyd, the **** him. But then they were relatively easy to get rid of.

They were relatively easy to get rid of because the club was floundering at the bottom of the Football League ladder and their collective investment/interest in the club was peanuts in comparison to the present owners. Fish was a paid employee, Buchanan @ Hinchcliffe paid nothing for the club and Lloyd knew he would get his relatively small investment back when he sold Boothferry Park..

 

[Kempton]

They were relatively easy to get rid of because the club was floundering at the bottom of the Football League ladder and their collective investment/interest in the club was peanuts in comparison to the present owners. Fish was a paid employee, Buchanan @ Hinchcliffe paid nothing for the club and Lloyd knew he would get his relatively small investment back when he sold Boothferry Park..

Yes I know

 

[Howdentiger2]

I didn't stop going under Fish, Buchanan/Hinchcliffe, or even Lloyd, the **** him. But then they were relatively easy to get rid of.

What's the difference this time then? There was potential ground / name change with some of those was there not? Your obviously a older guy then me who's be a fan countless years... I just wonder why stop now when the club's had some awful owners and it didn't stop you before

 

[Kempton]

What's the difference this time then? There was potential ground / name change with some of those was there not? Your obviously a older guy then me who's be a fan countless years... I just wonder why stop now when the club's had some awful owners and it didn't stop you before

I refer you to my post above. You know, the one you've just replied to

 

[Howdentiger2]

I refer you to my post above. You know, the one you've just replied to

Makes absolutely no sense but fair enough, it was a genuine question.

 

[Kempton]

Makes absolutely no sense but fair enough, it was a genuine question.

Hmm. Then I refer you to Ulrika's post above? I'm honestly not sure what you don't get

 

[Newland Tiger]

Hmm. Then I refer you to Ulrika's post above? I'm honestly not sure what you don't get

Maybe he can't understand why you have a different opinion to his ? I'm not sure

 

[Howdentiger2]

Maybe he can't understand why you have a different opinion to his ? I'm not sure

Seriously....I asked a genuine questions as to why he stopped going because of the Allams but not the other awful owners we have had. I said previously I respect his choice, I just wondered why now and not then.

You really can't ask a simple question on here without the usual suspects being absolute bellends

 

[Barchullona]

Seriously....I asked a genuine questions as to why he stopped going because of the Allams but not the other awful owners we have had. I said previously I respect his choice, I just wondered why now and not then.

You really can't ask a simple question on here without the usual suspects being absolute bellends

One reason could be that with previous owners you were stood with 3,000 or so like minded souls watching the direst football imaginable and despite it all still felt a connection to what you still regarded as your club. The Allams removed that feeling from a lot of long time fans.

 

[Kempton]

One reason could be that with previous owners you were stood with 3,000 or so like minded souls watching the direst football imaginable and despite it all still felt a connection to what you still regarded as your club. The Allams removed that feeling from a lot of long time fans.

No it's because I'm a "bellend"

 

[Howdentiger2]

One reason could be that with previous owners you were stood with 3,000 or so like minded souls watching the direst football imaginable and despite it all still felt a connection to what you still regarded as your club. The Allams removed that feeling from a lot of long time fans.

That may very well be the case and would be a fair understandable answer but as per he just decided to be his usual self and give a pointless flippant comment.

 

[Howdentiger2]

Maybe he can't understand why you have a different opinion to his ? I'm not sure

The fact I have a different opinion to him on some things is the reason why he can't give a genuine answer.... I wasn't fishing or being an arse, I honestly genuinely wondered why the Allams finally made him stay away when other horrible owners hadn't, even with potential ground and names changes

 

[Tentotwo]

I’d like 20000 in the groundcan sing Allam out or you said you’ll sell up so why don’t you go
And more importantly we shall not be moved
And I’d like to show other clubs we are something
They all see us now as going back to the level we should be at

So would I mate but as I read all the usual verbals,distrust and blatant sh!tstirring currently being thrown about on here yet again the likelihood of getting 20K together to make a stance is about as far away as Knitting fog on the Titanic mate.

Rant over...

 

[Kempton]

Seriously....I asked a genuine questions as to why he stopped going because of the Allams but not the other awful owners we have had. I said previously I respect his choice, I just wondered why now and not then.

You really can't ask a simple question on here without the usual suspects being absolute bellends

That may very well be the case and would be a fair understandable answer but as per he just decided to be his usual self and give a pointless flippant comment.

THE OTHERS WERE RELATIVELY EASY TO GET RID OF! That's a good reason very easy to understand answer to your question. When that wasn't enough for you, I referred you to good posts by Ulrika and Barchullona. I'll say again, what is it you don't understand, Mr Howdentiger2?
Back in Martin Fish's day I didn't concern myself with the politics of football. I was just a football fan, watching my team, so Iv'e got nothing to remember on that, or very little anyway. The football was dire, but I was used to that and actully didn't mind. It was all about being there for me. The atmosphere was actually fantastic to me. I loved match day. I saw Waggy, Chiltern, Butler and the rest, but I have a very vague memory of that. I only know I saw the 'Clock stand' because my Dad told me I did. My memory probably isn't helped, by the fact I'd spend most of them games staring at someones back with my bottom lip out

The Lloyd days. I did get involved. Joining Tigers CO-OP, (Iv'e still got my membership card) and going to meetings at 147 on Spring bank. Going well into my over draught to pay the fees for My Dad and brother-in-law (They never did pay me back ). But yeah, I still attended because I felt very much a part of it.

The Allams have willingly set out to hurt Hull City fans and now the Parachute money has gone, they want us to help them out.

I say 'Get ****ed'.

Hope this helps, Sir.

 

[Barchullona]

So would I mate but as I read all the usual verbals,distrust and blatant sh!tstirring currently being thrown about on here yet again the likelihood of getting 20K together to make a stance is about as far away as Knitting fog on the Titanic mate.

Rant over...

What the small proportion of City fans who post on here say and do is immaterial in the scheme of things.
And it would be a problem getting 20,000 chanting Allams out anyway as those chanting that were only a handful of troublemakers who were booed by their fellow fans. The silent majority back the Allams and agree with everything they do. Dr Allam said that was the case so it must be a FACT.