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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    I hadn't seen that connection Oslo <laugh> The countryside around Cologne is great, especially the Rhine south of Bonn - we live up in them thar hills 40 km to the East (Engelskirchen).
     
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  2. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    I like the union and would prefer the Scots to stay.
    If they vote for independence, I'll be sad, but hey, good luck to them.

    No, I didn't vote to split the union or for an independent England.
    I voted because I want an independent Britain.

    Round and round we go!
     
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  3. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    Christ, you'd test the patience of a saint. Not EVERYTHING that Cameron said was hyperbole. WW3 was, and that got headlines. But what he said about WTO was fact, known fact. If you didn't bother to find out about it, don't assume everyone was as unquestioning
     
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  4. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    The loons voted with the antisemites. What are you complaining about?
     
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  5. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    Your contortions don't change the fact that no Leave campaigner mentioned leaving without a deal. It's not what Leave voters voted for. It's not what anyone voted for.
     
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  6. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    Leave voters voted to Leave. Unqualified.

    You can't qualify it in hindsight
     
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  7. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Britain's EU contribution rises by 20 per cent in year, as UK's booming economy props up Brussels' budget

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    Boris Johnson has his work cut out Credit: Reuters
    19 July 2019 • 10:00pm
    Britain’s contribution to the EU has shot up by £2.6 billion in the past 12 months, new Treasury figures show, as the UK’s growing economy was used to prop up Brussels’ budget.
    An “eye-popping” £15.5 billion was sent across the Channel in the year ending March 31, compared with £12.9 billion the year before - an increase of 20 per cent.
    The extra money would be enough to put 50,000 more police officers on the streets or fund 81,000 social care beds.
    Brexiteers said the increase was yet more evidence that Britain must leave the EU as soon as possible to stop taxpayers’ money “pouring into bottomless EU coffers”.
     
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  8. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    My point is I agree that no one really knew of a no deal scenario but now we do

    Churchill is very apt at the moment as BJ is not only a fan and biographer but he bases his ideals and speeches . Nothing wrong with the optimism in fact it’s better than straight out lies.

    The blues on here are easy enough to spot imo so sorry as a red I do place the blame towards them.

    The reality of Brexit is that after we have left then people actually believe everything will be great

    The country not only divided but a lot poorer and in a stark position all based on a dream and a few words . Out of touch imo
     
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  9. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    Do you seriously believe this?
     
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    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    Agree
     
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  11. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    the media wouldnt lie to us

    would they
     
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  12. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Of course it is.

    We voted to leave ,not for a deal.

    Round and round we go.
     
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  13. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    Give it it's real name? Brexit.

    Please don't equate Brexit to English Nationalism, which I would imagine those on the other side of the argument may then conclude equates to xenophobia and racism. Sure, it might be the case for extremists, but I respectfully suggest that the majority of those that voted Leave are neither racist nor xenophobic but, like Col, simply want the UK to have a greater say in its own destiny, rather than belong to some big club where its just a cog. Whatever that means in reality.

    Driving a wedge through the UK? Yes, Scotland leaving the UK may be an unwelcome outcome, but they're angling to leave anyway. Their 2014 referendum was nearly as close as the EU referendum, with only 55% in favour of leaving the Union (on a near-85% turnout). It's the same situation. Wee Jimmy Krankie is itching to ask the people again, more so since the EU referendum as she rightly sees this as being a potential tipping point that'll give her the result she craves. If she gets the independence vote, the Scottish people never get asked the question again.

    It's the same with the EU referendum. If we'd voted to Remain, we would never have been asked the question again during my lifetime... so I had to vote Leave for my own conscience. It's a legitimate position just the same as remaining is a legitimate position.

    Scottish voting is quite interesting. I'd not really looked at it before in any detail, simply accepting the reports that 62% voted to remain in the EU in the 2016 referendum.

    - In the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, 2,001,926 out of 3,619,915 (that could properly complete a ballot paper) voted to remain in the Union; that's 55.3% and means 1,617,989 wanted to leave the Union.

    - In the 2016 EU referendum, 1,661,191 out of 2,679,513 voted to remain in the EU; that's 62.0% and means 1,018,322 wanted to leave the EU.

    Is it reasonable to assume that those wanting Scottish independence also want to remain in the EU? That is what Elton's Daughter would have us believe. If that's the case, then this is roughly supported by the 1.6 million voting to leave the Union, but stay in the EU.

    But 983,000 were passionate enough about remaining in the Union, but not sufficiently exercised to vote one way or the other about leaving or staying in the EU.

    Could it be that they couldn't have given a flying **** one way or the other, which isn't exactly a resounding support for the EU? According to the Beeb turnout north of the border was only 67%. A mere 56% turnout in Glasgow.

    You can do what you like with statisitics, but I'd say these blighters are more focussed on the Scottish Independence issue (one way or t'other) than the EU issue.
     
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    You can see how much poorer the UK has already become by taking a gander at what has happened to the £ since Brexit became a possibility.
     
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    I've found that I'm not losing as many down the side of the sofa
     
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  16. Uber_Hoop

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    I voted to leave the EU, Strolls.

    Go away from.

    Cease to be a member of.

    Depart from.

    Withdraw from.

    Retire from.

    Take oneself away from.

    Exit from.

    Take one's leave from.

    Quit.
     
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    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    Quitter!
     
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  18. Uber_Hoop

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    Ossie, even you must admit that things are always made far worse when there's uncertainty, surely? We all should be prepared to admit that markets adjust soon enough once they understand what the new playing field looks like. They might not look and act the same as before, but they function far more effectively and positively once there's clarity.
     
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  19. Steelmonkey

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    You fail to acknowledge the lie that was peddled during the Independance referendum - voting to stay in the Union was our only guarantee of staying in the EU. Politician after politician, of both Tory and Labour, stated that Scotland would be kicked out of the EU were they to gain Independance, backed up by claims from minsters across the EU, and then told they'd be at the back of the queue for re-joining. This argument held solid ground and was a major factor in "No" winning 55-45%.

    First thing ****y-baws Cameron stated after the result, stood behind his podium in Downing Street....It's time to think about England. Roll on 12 months, and he wins the GE, giving in to the demands of an EU referendum - we all know what happened next, but the promises made to the people of Scotland over EU membership are handily forgotten......
     
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  20. Stroller

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    Yeah, but you're just a senile old racist with a low IQ.:emoticon-0109-kiss:

    Would you have voted to leave without a deal, if that was what was on offer?
     
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