Off Topic Politics Thread

Cameron broke the Good Friday agreement as well by reuniting the Conservatives with the Ulster Unionists some time pre-2010. I believe the Unionist chose to split from the Conservatives again, and are not politically aligned at the moment, although the Conservatives still have the attachment "Unionist" on their party name.

 

I hope the Tories opposed to Johnson, choose to stay Tories and do the business from within.

 

That's a sweeping article with pan European solutions sought. Dealing with the hardnosed pharmaceutical manufacturers has to be better done by the EU rather than individual countries.
I note the conference took place in Edinburgh that won't happen again post brexit, I doubt the UK chemists will be able to stay part of organisation.
There's a job advertised in Cork on the web page, great place, I've worked there in the past, no more freedom of movement for Brits after the b word. Never mind there's always Pompey.

 

I'm not missing the point , I'm saying your point is a logical fallacy.

The person in my example was in debt before the hypothetical recession. But you can't say the recession didn't cause his bankruptcy, Nor can you say his original debt didn't.

It's the same problem as our hospitals have. Treatments have progressed massively in recent times which means a lot more treatment and in this case medicine is needed which increases the load on our doctors and in this case manufacturers.

Reducing the number of doctors will create shortages in GP appointments, not make more appointments. and as your article points out better international intergration will reduce the medicine shortages. Reducing this as Brexit does, will only create shortages.

Saying that Brexit isn't causing shortages because there were already shortages is just plain wrong.

 

For some reason that didn't print. : The problem with that analysis is that the 2017 result was achieved on the back of Remainer votes cast by people who though that Labour were a remain party. Since then about half of Corbyn's 40% has decamped to the Lib Dems or Greens. As a lifelong Labour supporter and councillor for 16 years I won't vote LD with great enthusiasm, but make no mistake I will be voting LD.

 

I don't know what I'll vote for. I want to vote LD but I'm in the very marginal (30 votes) sholing constituency between labour and conservatives so I think I pretty much have to vote labour to stop the very pro Brexit conservative MP here.

Definitely wish I had AV or a proportional system right now.

 

I agree vote Labour.

 

Basically, we should vote for any party trying to stop Brexit. I’m really hoping they can get together and avoid splitting the vote, so the “big 2” parties get the idea and Farage is annihilated ......

 

I just think Corbyn has alienated too many people at this point. Remain and leave voters have no reason to vote for him, too many people have bought into the antisemitism/terrorist sympathiser sound bites.

I just cannot see him winning an election, though I personally do respect him and his views.

My own views (that society is best serverd byam Capitalism, tempered by socialist policies) isn't really represented by the extreme left/right politics divide we are starting to see.

 

That isn’t quite true Ides. Cameron had a pact with the Ulster Unionists but it wasn’t a merger, they just fielded joint candidates in one election. The pact more or less fell apart even before the 2010 election.

The Tories have always been called the Conservative and Unionist Party, which is odd considering they are hell-bent on actions which will most probably tear the UK apart.

 

You and me both F19. Unless and until Labour unequivocally supports Revoking Article 50, holding a second referendum and campaigning wholeheartedly for Remain my vote goes to the Lib Dem’s too. The LD’s and Greens between them crushed the Tories round here in the local council elections, so there is hope for the General Election, especially if a nationwide Remain Alliance can be put together.

 

May finishes her last PMQs as prime minister
And that's it - it's over.
Mrs May leaves the chamber, after telling MPs during her time in office she's answered more than 4,500 questions during 140 hours of PMQs.


Well actually Theresa you were asked 4500 questions - you only answered 3

 

Why? Corbyn has been totally ineffectual the last couple of years, I don't truly know what he or the current Labour Party stands for. The Tories have been in freefall and he's been sitting on the side-lines knitting, as far as I can tell. He's no leader and we're in a time where we need strong, vocal, moral political leaders. Corbyn ain't it!

I'll either be voting Plaid Cymru or Greens at the next GE. My constituency will definitely be Labour (though the Brexit Party won more votes in the recent EU elections ) because it's an old mining area and people will vote as they have for decades. In fairness, our MP (the shadow Defence Sec) Nia Griffiths is pretty good but I despair of a Labour Govt almost as much as I do of a Tory one.

 

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What is it with the UK Conservatives that they take actions that put people against people? It is as if it is a delierate ploy to play on people´s prejudices and fears when there aren´t any, provoke an opposition so the two sides clash, whilst the policy makers themselves continue quaffing the champagne and just pay lip service to the fears and worries of people who put them there. The old saying of "divide and rule," appears to be true regarding the governing UK Conservative and Unionist party.

Although my natural instinct is to vote for a party to remain in the EU, perhaps a minority Corbyn one that can be supported by the SNP, PC, the Lib Dems and the Greens, the Alliance and Independent in NI, might be the best solution to start healing the división sown by the Tories

 

I referred to the post that mentioned the shortage of medicines and the fact it wasn’t just the UK suffering medicine shortages. I also mentioned that you cannot blame Brexit for that problem as it has been going on for a long while. Before the referendum in fact. I haven’t said Brexit won’t create shortages or any of the other stuff you mentioned. So yes you did miss my point deliberately.

 

Like you, I would love it if Labour threw their weight behind revoking article 50, but I would struggle to give my vote to the Lib Dems, simply because of the part they played in the coalition government, and the voting history of their new leader, who supported pretty much all the horrible **** the government foisted on the public.

 

Don’t get me wrong, my support for the Lib Dem’s is purely pragmatic, and only until Brexit is binned for good. Hopefully by then Labour have put their house in order and can command the mass support, especially among young voters, that they had in 2017.