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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
easthertsr said:
The myth that all labour voters in the north voted leave is not borne out by analysis of the voting demographic, also the reality of what leaving actually means , has shown that many who voted leave as a protest now realize it will result in the threat of them losing their jobs. The 'rich bosses' who benefit from the EU you refer to exist in every country it is just crass to assume all rich people support remain.For example have a chat with Rupert Murdoch or the owners of the Telegraph who stand to make huge amounts of money ffom Brexit and therefore ensure their newspaper campaigns for it. Just simply , can someone on here please say how this country gains economically from leaving? If we don't how is it possibly a good thing?
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These arguments have been done to death from the likes of you and me on here. It’s an embarrassment that a party that is supposedly for the working class of this country, now decide to pander to and feel aligned to a ‘globalist’ organisation that have ****ed over the workers and poor of countries like Greece, Spain and Italy.
As I said, at least it makes my choice of party to support a whole lot easier.
 
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Staines R's said:
These arguments have been done to death from the likes of you and me on here. It’s an embarrassment that a party that is supposedly for the working class of this country, now decide to pander to and feel aligned to a ‘globalist’ organisation that have ****ed over the workers and poor of countries like Greece, Spain and Italy.
As I said, at least it makes my choice of party to support a whole lot easier.
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It's a simple question if you work in a factory in Darlington how does leaving the EU help me and my family?
 
easthertsr said:
It's a simple question if you work in a factory in Darlington how does leaving the EU help me and my family?
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Simple answer....free movement of foreign workers ends, which means the bosses in this country cannot exploit those foreign workers and pay **** wages to them, thus leading the worker in Darlington (to quote your example) to be paid a fair wage as the wage structure isn’t being brought down.
This also has the advantage to the foreign workers country of origin, as their work force isn’t decimated by people leaving.

Of course if you are a banker in Islington there is no advantage in leaving whatsoever.

Is that simple enough an answer ?
Sorry if not but I’ve only had 2 hours sleep after my night shift .
 
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easthertsr said:
The myth that all labour voters in the north voted leave is not borne out by analysis of the voting demographic, also the reality of what leaving actually means , has shown that many who voted leave as a protest now realize it will result in the threat of them losing their jobs. The 'rich bosses' who benefit from the EU you refer to exist in every country it is just crass to assume all rich people support remain.For example have a chat with Rupert Murdoch or the owners of the Telegraph who stand to make huge amounts of money ffom Brexit and therefore ensure their newspaper campaigns for it. Just simply , can someone on here please say how this country gains economically from leaving? If we don't how is it possibly a good thing?
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Did Ireland know for certain that it would gain economically from leaving the UK? Almost certainly not, so do you think they should have stayed?
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
Did Ireland know for certain that it would gain economically from leaving the UK? Almost certainly not, so do you think they should have stayed?
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?? What the ****?? Ireland ‘left’ the UK in a way that meant there was zero difference in trade and movement of people and capital. Also the small matter of close on a thousand years of occupation and periodic slaughter from Normans, a variety of royal British houses, Cromwell’s republicans, just about any body who could be arsed, plus the diaspora resulting from avoidable starvation 150 years ago, and explicit and huge repression of the majority of the Irish population on religious grounds.

I seriously cannot believe that you compare Brexit to Ireland fighting to gain independence from the English. Unless you count William the Conquerer, William of Orange and the Hanoverians as authentic precursors of the EU.
 
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sb_73 said:
?? What the ****?? Ireland ‘left’ the UK in a way that meant there was zero difference in trade and movement of people and capital. Also the small matter of close on a thousand years of occupation and periodic slaughter from Normans, a variety of royal British houses, Cromwell’s republicans, just about any body who could be arsed, plus the diaspora resulting from avoidable starvation 150 years ago.

I seriously cannot believe that you compare Brexit to Ireland fighting to gain independence from the English.
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There is no comparison. Totally correct mate
 
Staines R's said:
Simple answer....free movement of foreign workers ends, which means the bosses in this country cannot exploit those foreign workers and pay **** wages to them, thus leading the worker in Darlington (to quote your example) to be paid a fair wage as the wage structure isn’t being brought down.
This also has the advantage to the foreign workers country of origin, as their work force isn’t decimated by people leaving.

Of course if you are a banker in Islington there is no advantage in leaving whatsoever.

Is that simple enough an answer ?
Sorry if not but I’ve only had 2 hours sleep after my night shift .
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But as my company has free access to the biggest free market in the world as of now it has no problems in selling it's produce tariff free to anywhere in the EU. If we leave on Halloween with or without a deal the inherent ability of my company to employ anybody wherever they are from is questionable. Do you really think companies will say right we have no foreigners working for us now so we will give all the Brits a pay rise? I'm trying to think of a better description of naivety but I can't think of one! So get back to my original question, how does this help that the economic projections that the whole country will be worse off help anyone?
 
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sb_73 said:
?? What the ****?? Ireland ‘left’ the UK in a way that meant there was zero difference in trade and movement of people and capital. Also the small matter of close on a thousand years of occupation and periodic slaughter from Normans, a variety of royal British houses, Cromwell’s republicans, just about any body who could be arsed, plus the diaspora resulting from avoidable starvation 150 years ago, and explicit and huge repression of the majority of the Irish population on religious grounds.

I seriously cannot believe that you compare Brexit to Ireland fighting to gain independence from the English. Unless you count William the Conquerer, William of Orange and the Hanoverians as authentic precursors of the EU.
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They are both about independence. Ireland gaining its. The UK regaining its. In both cases, this comes before money. You Remainers have a blind spot to it
 
easthertsr said:
But as my company has free access to the biggest free market in the world as of now it has no problems in selling it's produce tariff free to anywhere in the EU. If we leave on Halloween with or without a deal the inherent ability of my company to employ anybody wherever they are from is questionable. Do you really think companies will say right we have no foreigners working for us now so we will give all the Brits a pay rise? I'm trying to think of a better description of naivety but I can't think of one! So get back to my original question, how does this help that the economic projections that the whole country will be worse off help anyone?
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As requested I answered your ‘simple question’, if you want to be condescending to the reply (and come up with another) then that’s your choice.
Yes, local workers would be paid a higher wage because there would not be the influx of foreign workers to be exploited.....its quite simple really.
If you want to call it naivety then up to you....many on the left call it simple fact.

I assume you’re not a worker from Darlington
 
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easthertsr said:
But as my company has free access to the biggest free market in the world as of now it has no problems in selling it's produce tariff free to anywhere in the EU. If we leave on Halloween with or without a deal the inherent ability of my company to employ anybody wherever they are from is questionable. Do you really think companies will say right we have no foreigners working for us now so we will give all the Brits a pay rise? I'm trying to think of a better description of naivety but I can't think of one! So get back to my original question, how does this help that the economic projections that the whole country will be worse off help anyone?
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Do you think you could be just a bit more patronising?
 
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