Off Topic IS VIDEO ASSISTANT REFEREE WORKING?
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I can guarantee players will celebrate regardless, be like them and celebrate. And of course that only happens when there is potential for VAR to be used, most goals wont/don't need VAR.
But how is that different from starting to celebrate a goal, only to realise the Linesman has his flag up or the ref blows for a minor infraction after the ball crosses the line. You'll have already started to celebrate only to have it cut short.
Offsides are nightmares anyway. The amount of times a contentious offside decision are made and then discussed and argued over now is bad. There is so much pressure on Linesmen to get it right.
With VAR most of the time you wont notice when the check is being made cause the game goes on, you'll only notice if it is pulled back.
I'd also point out that VAR was in full use the entire time for the CL last season. Did it take away the enjoyment of the tournament or the enjoyment when we won it. For the majority of the time did anybody really notice it.
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Just imagine a scenario where a team doesn't get awarded a goal due to incompetent refs and loses the title on the last day. The old 'decisions balance themselves out' is unfounded. It might do, it might not. It's pot luck on which ref you get, which linesmen and which side of bed they woke up on. Imagine losing a title because of that. You'd be livid. So I don't buy the nostalgic and sentimental argument of leave things alone, it makes it more exciting. Technology levels things so that it matters less which ref you get or which set of divers you play.
Technology is a good thing for football, particularly in the world of diving, feigning injury and conning the officials. It just has be added properly. Apart from goal line instant reports, it's not been done so.
Not sure I agree with others that you should just get 2 appeals. Some games you'd need none, some games against say Barca or PSG, you'd need 10 due to their constant diving. Minimum of 2, refunded for each correct appeal.
It has to be used for red/yellow card incidents. A retrospective ban isn't enough. Someone gets a yellow rather than a red, but ended up winning the game and banned for the next 3 games. Pretty sure the team who lost would be royally pissed off when they should have been 11v10.
Offside rule needs changing entirely anyway, VAR alone won't fix it. FFS, when it's being called back because a hand was infront of the play
Some realism here. I liked the whole 'clear air' rule there used to be and I also would scrap the 'not in play' or 'second phase' ****e as it can all be manipulated. Keep it simple. Makes it easy for VAR to allow/disallow goals then.
Mistaken identify, whatever, for the 1/10000 games it makes a difference in, why not.
I would let the video ref have open communication with the field ref. Talking about anything/everything that's occurring much like pundits do now. Ref should trust them as part of their team, nothing to do with giving away power. If needs be, anything contentious can be viewed by the field ref, but otherwise just listen to the VAR ref's opinion! They're just as well trained as you are.
Technology is a good thing for football, particularly in the world of diving, feigning injury and conning the officials. It just has be added properly. Apart from goal line instant reports, it's not been done so.
Not sure I agree with others that you should just get 2 appeals. Some games you'd need none, some games against say Barca or PSG, you'd need 10 due to their constant diving. Minimum of 2, refunded for each correct appeal.
It has to be used for red/yellow card incidents. A retrospective ban isn't enough. Someone gets a yellow rather than a red, but ended up winning the game and banned for the next 3 games. Pretty sure the team who lost would be royally pissed off when they should have been 11v10.
Offside rule needs changing entirely anyway, VAR alone won't fix it. FFS, when it's being called back because a hand was infront of the play
Some realism here. I liked the whole 'clear air' rule there used to be and I also would scrap the 'not in play' or 'second phase' ****e as it can all be manipulated. Keep it simple. Makes it easy for VAR to allow/disallow goals then.Mistaken identify, whatever, for the 1/10000 games it makes a difference in, why not.
I would let the video ref have open communication with the field ref. Talking about anything/everything that's occurring much like pundits do now. Ref should trust them as part of their team, nothing to do with giving away power. If needs be, anything contentious can be viewed by the field ref, but otherwise just listen to the VAR ref's opinion! They're just as well trained as you are.
as I've said:
rugby has independent citing officer and technology and it works fine.
the fa and UEFA don't want the hassle of doing things right. they try the quick fix as route 1.
if there were independent citing officers who gave bans for diving, cheating and dangerous play there would be a massive.clean up. especially if you could report opposition players.
We all know the score with the blazers. one week its politically corrwct the next its ignored.
rugby has independent citing officer and technology and it works fine.
the fa and UEFA don't want the hassle of doing things right. they try the quick fix as route 1.
if there were independent citing officers who gave bans for diving, cheating and dangerous play there would be a massive.clean up. especially if you could report opposition players.
We all know the score with the blazers. one week its politically corrwct the next its ignored.
VAR will not re-referee Premier League - referees' chief Mike Riley
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48903289
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48903289
it's an interesting set of comments by Riley
8 incidents reviewed on average taking 30 seconds each. aka goals.
talks clearly about on field decisions so I will be watching links and refs and seeing of they do now calls.or just let play go til a goal is scored.
I'd be fairly upset if a guy was 5 miles offside, has a shot which is deflected wide for corner and team concedes of corner.
it's not right that way.
Don't be silly.
It's takes just as long to type 29 as it does 30...
I like most of what he's saying but suspect he's saying what he thinks we'd like to hear (if that makes sense).
I think 29 seconds is too long btw
And that was the average time which means some were longer than that.It's takes just as long to type 29 as it does 30...
I like most of what he's saying but suspect he's saying what he thinks we'd like to hear (if that makes sense).
I think 29 seconds is too long btw
It's takes just as long to type 29 as it does 30...
I like most of what he's saying but suspect he's saying what he thinks we'd like to hear (if that makes sense).
I think 29 seconds is too long btw
Depends on incident.
Just coming back to the linesman not flagging for offside, that was only during the WC last year wasn't it? I don't think that will be standard practice.
Nope. Rules are rules. Black and white. Inch or a mile, doesn't matter.
I think he means the length of the review depends on the incident I.e. some don't take long to come up with a yes or a no. Others have to be played back over and over.
Maradona's Hand of God goal has to be ruled out by VAR, but unfortunately no VAR then. Obvious handball.
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Yes, I realised that. They only take a long time to review if you over complicate the rules.
If you have to watch a video eighteen times to see if they're was contact, was there really enough contact for it to be a foul?
Goals given by technology (ball over the line) has been a success, but this VAR time would tell.
think that is the standard practice when using VAR as if lino incorrectly flags for offside the attacking team have no way of being put back in the same position i.e. Sterling in 13/14 against Man City at Maine Road once lino flags VAR not much use which is why they say don't flag for close offsides.
From what I remember (could be wrong) there are 3 var 'stations' (don't know what they really call them) in different locations so the time it takes to coordinate an answer all adds to the delay.
From what I can gather it was only a rule for the WC. I can't find any info about it being used as standard practice for the coming season