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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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    Votes: 56 47.9%
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    Votes: 61 52.1%

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Lots of knicker twisting there mate.
Honestly Col, his position on Brexit aside which I’m guessing is about the only opinion you share with him, do you really feel Farage is someone you are happy to have as your representative? Or that the Brexit Party’s little dance - and for that matter the Lib Dem’s stupid T shirts - in anyway reflect how you would like political debate to be conducted by elected members of legislatures? I know it’s not just people the Brits elect who behave in this pathetic way, and my faith in parliamentary democracy has completely evaporated anyway, but this can’t be good for those who believe in this type of democracy.

I’m sure that there is something, somewhere that I can find to agree with from Farage, Johnson and Corbyn. That doesn’t alter the fact that they are all hypocritical ****s.
 
Ireland ‘cannot stop’ damaging EU beef deal
John Burns and Justine McCarthy
June 30 2019, 12:01am, The Sunday Times
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Irish farmers don’t want Mercosur beef importsALAMY
Ireland will be unable to veto a new EU trade deal with South America, which will lead to 99,000 tonnes of beef coming into the European market and which the Irish Farmers’ Association has described as “reckless and wrong”.
Facing demands yesterday to veto the deal with Mercosur, a South American trade bloc comprised of Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay, an Irish government official admitted that “in all likelihood” a veto will not be legally possible. “We may not be in a position to play that card,” he said. “The EU does have the power to do these deals unilaterally.”
The deal next goes before the EU trade council, where there is qualified majority voting and Ireland has only a 1-2% say.

Drop in the ocean
The Irish are happy Europeans
Nothing to concern Brits about they will rely on imports and care not where their food comes from now as Long as it’s cheap

2 excellent Fillet French grown steaks top quality
€ 3.90 from Lidl France
A Big Mac is €5.20
 
Honestly Col, his position on Brexit aside which I’m guessing is about the only opinion you share with him, do you really feel Farage is someone you are happy to have as your representative? Or that the Brexit Party’s little dance - and for that matter the Lib Dem’s stupid T shirts - in anyway reflect how you would like political debate to be conducted by elected members of legislatures? I know it’s not just people the Brits elect who behave in this pathetic way, and my faith in parliamentary democracy has completely evaporated anyway, but this can’t be good for those who believe in this type of democracy.

I’m sure that there is something, somewhere that I can find to agree with from Farage, Johnson and Corbyn. That doesn’t alter the fact that they are all hypocritical ****s.

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Honestly Col, his position on Brexit aside which I’m guessing is about the only opinion you share with him, do you really feel Farage is someone you are happy to have as your representative? Or that the Brexit Party’s little dance - and for that matter the Lib Dem’s stupid T shirts - in anyway reflect how you would like political debate to be conducted by elected members of legislatures? I know it’s not just people the Brits elect who behave in this pathetic way, and my faith in parliamentary democracy has completely evaporated anyway, but this can’t be good for those who believe in this type of democracy.

I’m sure that there is something, somewhere that I can find to agree with from Farage, Johnson and Corbyn. That doesn’t alter the fact that they are all hypocritical ****s.

Nope.
 
Although, having said no, I have agreed with some of Farage's opinions on QT etc.
I'd make a judgement when and if all his policies are known.
I think it highly unlikely that I could vote for any of the ****ers, unless Brexit is the issue.
 
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Irish farmers furious over EU-South American deal to cut tariffs
Mercosur agreement reached after 20 years of talks criticised on environmental grounds
Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 21:25 Updated: Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 21:26
Mark Hilliard
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IFA president Joe Healy leads IFA national officers and members in a protest at the EU Commission offices in Dublin on Friday, depicting the Mercosur trade deal as a ‘sell out’. Photograph: Finbarr O’Rourke
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Mercosur - a regional alliance of Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay - announced the trade breakthrough following two decades of on-off negotiations.
It will slash tariffs on everything from Argentine steaks to German car parts, a considerable achievement in a global trading environment consumed by ongoing US-Chinese tensions.
However, while the accord makes the EU the first major economy to strike a comprehensive trade deal with Mercosur since its foundation in the early 1990s, it drew furious reaction from Irish agriculture on Friday.
“This is a bad deal for Ireland and for Irish farmers, it’s a bad deal for the environment and it’s a bad deal for EU standards and consumers,” said Joe Healy, president of the Irish Farmers Association (IFA).
“This represents a backroom deal with big business and kowtows to the likes of Mercedes and BMW in their drive to get cars into South America. It is a disgraceful and feeble sell out of a large part of our most valuable beef market to Latin American ranchers and factory farm units.”
In a statement after the deal was announced, Phil Hogan, the EU’s Commissioner for Agriculture conceded it would present “some challenges” to European farmers.
“The European Commission will be available to help farmers meet these challenges. For this agreement to be a win-win, we will only open up to agricultural products from Mercosur with carefully managed quotas that will ensure that there is no risk that any product will flood the EU market and thereby threaten the livelihood of EU farmers,” he said.
Brussels has estimated the deal will wipe out about €4 billion in annual customs duties on EU exports, securing preferential access for European goods and services to a region of more than 260 million people.
Mr Healy said the IFA’s priority concern was domestic beef production, a €3 billion sector which he said was more important to Ireland than any other EU member state. He added that Irish and European farmers held up the highest safety and environmental standards, something that could not be said for competitors in Brazil.
The association’s national livestock chairman Angus Woods said Ireland could not allow the sector to be “ruined by Brazilian beef imports”.
There was a similar backlash from the Irish Creamery Milk Suppliers Association (ICMSA) which said a substantial increase in beef imports to the EU would constitute “a massive blow to the Irish beef sector and will destroy forever the EU’s credibility on putting forward measures to combat climate change”.
Its president Pat McCormack said the consequent economic damage to Ireland’s multi-billion euro industry from “cheap lower standard South American imports must mean that the Government was content to see Irish beef production fall into terminal decline”.
“Everyone knows that increasing the amount of South American beef that can be imported into the EU will have immediate and irreversible consequences for the global climate,” he said.

Well ****ing get your products competitive then
South American Beef is after all superior to anything out there and if it’s cheaper have it
And that’s from a person with a strong farming heritage

Think business or governance seriously gives a **** about you ... wise up and do it quickly I say

It’s a anti EU story meanwhile where is the preparation in the UK farming sector to increase any meat production ? Where is the investment for the next generations of British Beef etc

British Beef cant compete now plus British still think it’s still the best .... it never was in the first place.
 
chloe westley‏@LoveWestley 10h10 hours ago
Remainers: Don't be silly, of course the EU is not about creating a superstate, it's just about promoting trade
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Also remainers: STAND FOR THE ANTHEM AND RESPECT THE FLAG!!!!
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chloe westley‏@LoveWestley 10h10 hours ago
Remainers: Don't be silly, of course the EU is not about creating a superstate, it's just about promoting trade
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Also remainers: STAND FOR THE ANTHEM AND RESPECT THE FLAG!!!!
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Chloe Westley an Australian, who couldn’t get a living in Australia and ends up a campaign manager for the right wing front Taxpayers Alliance.

Safe to ignore absolutely everything she says and thinks.
 
chloe westley‏@LoveWestley 10h10 hours ago
Remainers: Don't be silly, of course the EU is not about creating a superstate, it's just about promoting trade
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Also remainers: STAND FOR THE ANTHEM AND RESPECT THE FLAG!!!!
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Also Remainer - Bollocks to the 52% and democracy
 
Chloe Westley an Australian, who couldn’t get a living in Australia and ends up a campaign manager for the right wing front Taxpayers Alliance.

Safe to ignore absolutely everything she says and thinks.
dont you like immigration to the uk stan<laugh>
 
Punkjock1314‏@RobRHC 3h3 hours ago
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and how the EU smiled and the press and liberals and SNP and Labour cheered when American footballers refused to stand for the US National Anthem....as usual anyone is ok to do what they want except Brexit supporters
 
Punkjock1314‏@RobRHC 3h3 hours ago
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and how the EU smiled and the press and liberals and SNP and Labour cheered when American footballers refused to stand for the US National Anthem....as usual anyone is ok to do what they want except Brexit supporters
Does that mean every EU inhabitant, liberal, SNP and labour supporter?? How did this person possibly see all these millions of people in their own environment smiling? Bizarre that