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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
rangercol said:
How did we ever manage without the wonderful EU?
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I don’t care what the EU does, I just want to be assured that what we get is better. In every way. Surely that was the promise?

More honest, competent and dedicated politicians
More trade favourable to our economy
More and better public services
Lower tax
Free beer
Ecstasy in the water supply
Spontaneous and luxurious hair growth on my bald patch
Everybody happy
QPR in the Champions League

Anyone with this in their manifesto gets my vote.
 
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I was working at an ex mps house today. He now does consultancy work. Quite an interesting conversation. He said quite plainly and simply, Brexit would be done and dusted already if the brexiteers agreed on what type of brexit they wanted. Soft, hard or no deal. Not the remainers fault we are at this standstill, but the fault of brexiteers. How true.
 
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kiwiqpr said:
The unbelievable hypocrisy of the Remoaner elite
In order to prevent No Deal ‘chaos’, establishment Remainers are now threatening to bring about... chaos.
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For three years, Remoaners in the political establishment have been issuing dire and ever-more hysterical warnings about life as we know it coming to a standstill if there is a No Deal Brexit. So they have come up with a plan to stall and thwart a No Deal Brexit by… bringing the country to a standstill.
Yes, their latest wheeze – and it’s a wheeze that exposes the undiluted hypocrisy that motors so many of these anti-democratic agitators against the referendum result of 2016 – is to offset the alleged chaos of a No Deal Brexit by generating their own kind of chaos. This is how determined they are to trash the votes of millions of people and maintain the status quo that vast numbers of us made it clear we want to change.
The plan, being proposed by Tory arch Remainer Dominic Grieve and Labour arch Remainer Margaret Beckett, is to make it impossible for the government to fund everyday life in the UK. These two, backed by other Brexit-haters in parliament, have tabled amendments to the system that authorises government spending, which would prevent four government departments – education, housing and local government, work and pensions, and international development – from using their budgets in the event of a Boris-backed No Deal.
In short, if Boris Johnson becomes PM and tries to push through a No Deal Brexit – something he occasionally hints at – then Remoaner wreckers would aim to bring about a government shutdown that would make vast areas of people’s daily lives a misery.
Schooling, housing issues, the oversight of local community life, issues to do with the payment of pensions, buses, bin collections, the payment of home helps who assist house-bound elderly people – so much of life could potentially be impacted upon by this cynical block on certain departments’ ability to spend money.
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What makes it even worse is that these opponents of Brexit know that their actions wouldn’t necessarily stop a No Deal Brexit from going through, but they hope, in the words of a sympathetic New Statesman, that it would ‘make a No Deal Brexit still more chaotic’. All their blather about not wanting Britain to be plunged into chaos by Brexit, and now they will happily plunge Britain into chaos in order to prevent Brexit.
This plan – even the fact that elite Remoaners are contemplating it – is very revealing. First, it confirms that these people are not, as they constantly claim, merely worried about the wellbeing of ordinary people in Brexit Britain. Rather, their overarching, obsessive aim is the same as it has been for three years: to stop Brexit from happening. It’s all they care about.
Secondly, it utterly explodes all their fear-mongering and politicised hysteria about No Deal Brexit. It confirms that was all just propaganda designed to scare Brits out of their commitment to Brexit. That these people are now contemplating the very scenario they said us Brexiteers would bring about – government mayhem – shows that for them ‘chaos’ is just a political tool to be wielded against Brexit.
And thirdly, it shows what those of us who believe in democracy are up against. We are up against a political class that will stop at nothing to prevent the UK from making a clean, full break with the European Union. They will bring about hardship, hamper essential government activity, and trash democracy itself, all in pursuit of propping up a rotten status quo that the people have clearly rejected. These people are serious about trampling all over the democratic will – supporters of democracy must get serious too.
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Once again the editor of Spiked, formerly Marxism Today, now converted to ultra free market libertarianism has his say, and his fans sat in their darkened bedrooms cheer. He might have a tiny element of a point, but to claim he believes in democracy is bollocks.
 
sb_73 said:
I don’t care what the EU does, I just want to be assured that what we get is better. In every way. Surely that was the promise?

More honest, competent and dedicated politicians
More trade favourable to our economy
More and better public services
Lower tax
Free beer
Ecstasy in the water supply
Spontaneous and luxurious hair growth on my bald patch
Everybody happy
QPR in the Champions League

Anyone with this in their manifesto gets my vote.
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vote for stan
 
bobmid said:
I was working at an ex mps house today. He now does consultancy work. Quite an interesting conversation. He said quite plainly and simply, Brexit would be done and dusted already if the brexiteers agreed on what type of brexit they wanted. Soft, hard or no deal. Not the remainers fault we are at this standstill, but the fault of brexiteers. How true.
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No real surprise, though, is it? I mean, there’s only one Remain scenario, but infinite Brexit scenarios.

I’m not helping much, am I? :)
 
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Philip May is bloody adorable though isn't he?pic.twitter.com/Oatzj8M4Ij
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If I took my wife on a business trip I would have to pay for all her expenses. Naturally. I’m sure Treeza has shelled out for Phil’s trip to Tokyo.

What the **** is this about and why didn’t Angela Merkel’s husband have to join in? Could common sense be in play here?

Is it compulsory to have a wife/husband to be a G20 leader?
 
Remainer Ken Clarke shocks as he rubbishes Project Fear ‘no deal won’t collapse economy'
ARCH-Remainer Ken Clarke has stunned anti-Brexit campaigners by admitting a no deal Brexit would not derail the British economy, confounding the direst predictions of Project Fear.

However, he also insisted neither Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt believes Britain will leave the European Union without a deal at the end of October. Speaking at a lunch in Westminster, the former Chancellor told reporters he did not think the economy would collapse if Britain left on WTO terms, without a withdrawal agreement in place. He said: “We’ll have some short-term chaos if we literally have no deal, but you’re going to have to suffer short-term technical agreements to make sure your aeroplanes can take off, your medicines don’t run out, your food doesn’t run out.

“I don’t think the economy will collapse: we might have a short-term recession because the Bank of England are going to have fun dealing with confidence in sterling and so on in the immediate aftermath.”
Mr Clarke, a prominent Remain supporter, suggested the two Tory leadership contenders feel “obliged” to campaign on the basis that they would pursue a no-deal exit in the autumn.
 
Uber_Hoop said:
No real surprise, though, is it? I mean, there’s only one Remain scenario, but infinite Brexit scenarios.

I’m not helping much, am I? :)
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Yes, but most Leave voters (and I exempt you from this Uber, because you have advocated compromise) believe they are entitled to their own version and won't accept anything else, the selfish fools.

'That's not what I voted for'
 
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Stroller said:
Yes, but most Leave voters (and I exempt you from this Uber, because you have advocated compromise) believe they are entitled to their own version and won't accept anything else, the selfish fools.

'That's not what I voted for'
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Thanks. If one is a true believer in democracy (as wot I is) then one has to honour the referendum but, in doing so, one simply cannot ignore the closeness of the referendum result, majority or not.

Saw my new babe, Caroline Flint, on QT t’other night. Good lass, is Caroline. I’d get those bags out from under those tired, tired eyes. :)
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
Thanks. If one is a true believer in democracy (as wot I is) then one has to honour the referendum but, in doing so, one simply cannot ignore the closeness of the referendum result, majority or not.

Saw my new babe, Caroline Flint, on QT t’other night. Good lass, is Caroline. I’d get those bags out from under those tired, tired eyes. :)
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shes looking forward to meeting you already
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