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Dier Hard said:
Because they’re bigger and better than you...
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If you mean In terms of on the pitch?
Don't think so fella.
And if you mean in terms of euro pedigree?
I don't think so.

What about historically? (I know you guys love that word)
I don't think so.
 
Dier Hard said:
Our four CMs combined this season managed 5 goals and 2 assists in the Prem. Tielemans alone managed 3 goals and 5 assists and he done it in just 13 games. I'd definitely say he's far more creative than anything we've got at CM. Ndombele seems more like a Dembele with assists (7 in Ligue 1) which is still more than what any of our four managed.

Grealish played in a two man midfield last season under Bruce in which he played a Modric-esque role for Villa and that's when the links to Spurs started appearing. He can play as a ten like Dele and Eriksen if need be but it's his performances as a number eight that got our attention.
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Frenkie De Jong grabbed 3 goals and 3 assists all season, Barca must be cursing their scouts for not spotting the much cheaper Tielemans, right?

Is Llorente creative because he has a much higher assists/minutes played than anyone you've mentioned, as well as everyone else(other than KWP and GKN)?

Focusing on the numbers doesn't show you a full picture. Pochettino's midfielders have never been big on goals and assist, not because they're not creative but because they have different objectives. Schneiderlin kept the ball moving and both he and Wanyama won the ball back at Soton. Winks, Dembele, Sissoko and Dier have served the same purposes in our midfield. It's always been about aggression without the ball and control with it so we can work a good opportunity for the the attacking specialists ahead of them.

To be clear, I'm not saying Tielemans and Grealish couldn't fulfill the midfield roles we need, just that they won't be getting the same numbers that you're claiming makes them more creative when they play in different set ups. The 4 I mentioned are better suited to the aggression and physicality we need, whilst also being able to control the tempo and/or break past players like Dembele and Sissoko can(Kessie, less so admittedly). That's what I want our money spent on for midfield this summer.
 
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Suckmyklopp said:
If you mean In terms of on the pitch?
Don't think so fella.
And if you mean in terms of euro pedigree?
I don't think so.

What about historically? (I know you guys love that word)
I don't think so.
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You honestly think Klopp wouldn’t pack his bags in a heartbeat if Barca made the call?

****ing hell <laugh>
 
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Suckmyklopp said:
100% I don't
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Your two best players in previous seasons jumped ship to them. Your manager would do the same, mate.

I get it’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s the way the footballing world works, the likes of Barca and Real get whoever they want.
 
Dier Hard said:
Your two best players in previous seasons jumped ship to them. Your manager would do the same, mate.

I get it’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s the way the footballing world works, the likes of Barca and Real get whoever they want.
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I know it's hard for you to understand but Klopp is building something here this is only phase 1 of the project. Phase 2 comes after our 2cl final appearance in a row. He loves fsg and fsg love him lalala
You know the rest <laugh>:bandit:
 
No Kane No Gain said:
Frenkie De Jong grabbed 3 goals and 3 assists all season, Barca must be cursing their scouts for not spotting the much cheaper Tielemans, right?

Is Llorente creative because he has a much higher assists/minutes played than anyone you've mentioned, as well as everyone else(other than KWP and GKN)?

Focusing on the numbers doesn't show you a full picture. Pochettino's midfielders have never been big on goals and assist, not because they're not creative but because they have different objectives. Schneiderlin kept the ball moving and both he and Wanyama won the ball back at Soton. Winks, Dembele, Sissoko and Dier have served the same purposes in our midfield. It's always been about aggression without the ball and control with it so we can work a good opportunity for the the attacking specialists ahead of them.

To be clear, I'm not saying Tielemans and Grealish couldn't fulfill the midfield roles we need, just that they won't be getting the same numbers that you're claiming makes them more creative when they play in different set ups. The 4 I mentioned are better suited to the aggression and physicality we need, whilst also being able to control the tempo and/or break past players like Dembele and Sissoko can(Kessie, less so admittedly). That's what I want our money spent on for midfield this summer.
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Frenkie still got more goals and assists than any of our CMs did <laugh>. He’s also in with a shout to be named in the UEFA team of the tournament after his displays. So yeah, I’m sure Barca are definitely cursing their scouts.

Poch’s CMs have been about physicality but we’ve often found times where that’s hindered us on occasions. We’ve been heavily reliant on Eriksen to create everything, when he doesn’t play our creativity levels drop horrendously. It’s why we need someone with a more creative edge to play behind him, to ensure the mantle isn’t always on Eriksen’s shoulders. We may not even have Eriksen next season either, which further adds emphasis on bringing more creativity to the side.

Back to Frenkie for a second, he ironically said he could’ve potentially joined us last summer, whilst we all know that Grealish himself expected to be a Spurs player this season. That certainly signals that Poch is looking for that creative spark in CM.
 
Dier Hard said:
You honestly think Klopp wouldn’t pack his bags in a heartbeat if Barca made the call?

****ing hell <laugh>
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Need even a smidgen of a possibility and I would love to wum the fck out of Sucky on this, make him get down on his knees and beg for mercy, but the truth is there's no point <wah>

Not even a chance of it.
 
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