Off Topic UK / EU Future

Wrong, they always unite effectively for general elections.

 

Just as they did in 2017? That was all about Brexit, and the country took away the majority that they had. Nothing will change, the party is falling apart for all to see.

 

Your new crystal ball has failed to turn up

 

Hahahahaha you’re beyond delusional.

 

This really is laughable....

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They will shrink away from an ERG tory leader...

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Only a Brexiteer will be chosen by me and my fellow members, we will no doubt choose wisely for you.

 

If things go as last time, members will not get a vote.

 

Hammond last man standing

 

I could barely believe it as I listened to May making her resignation speech that she claimed pride in her response the the Grenfell Tower disaster. Seems as though I was not the only one as the Fire Brigade have issued this statement.

"Many of the underlying issues at Grenfell were due to unsafe conditions that had been allowed to fester under Tory governments and a council for which Theresa May bears ultimate responsibility. The inquiry she launched has kicked scrutiny of corporate and government interests into the long-grass, denying families and survivors justice, while allowing business as usual to continue for the wealthy. For the outgoing prime minister to suggest that her awful response to Grenfell is a proud part of her legacy is, frankly, disgraceful."

 

Won't happen

 

Just come back from the AGM of an association I belong to. Why use one word when you can use twenty? Give a Frenchman a mic. and you have to prise it out of his hand by force or surgery. However that is beside the point rather. My friend Lenin started on one of his long speeches about democracy, when he was stopped in his tracks when someone suggested that he was sowing division. "Do you really want this association to be like the UK when the government is unable to get anything agreed over Brexit, and it costs the Prime Minister her job?" "We should be working together, not fighting like they are doing in London." Huge applause from all around the hall, something that the English there were able to agree with 100%.

 

In Holland they also voted for the EU Parliament on Thursday. An exit poll has been published there, something I didn't think could happen. What it shows is an increased turnout, a fall in support for the anti-EU parties and an increase in support for the social democrats and greens.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/...n73g_oyOQoPziglcAjE9prZ3b6zzj7tukAhfNy5F1uB_s

 

It is great to hear a Tory politician have certainly over Brexit. Boris, the favourite to take over as PM, has vowed the U.K. will be out of the EU by Oct 31st, deal or no deal. Other candidates also need to offer this level of clarity so businesses can prepare well in time. May's dreadful deal is dead and buried. Any negotiator on behalf of the UK should make it clear the ransom will not be paid until a trade deal is in place. I'm sure some minor payments can be made subject to the EU ceasing its bully boy tactics.

 

Thatcher?
As for the others, it seems they were out of touch with the general feeling in the country of EU membership.

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...voters-were-not-given-full-information/11/04/

Interesting to see Switzerland plan to rerun a referendum because voters weren't informed...

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The 'general feeling in the country' appears to have changed Scully. Even at the time of the referendum itself only about 36% of the electorate (discounting Brits abroad, EU citizens in the UK, under 18s etc. etc) actually positively voted for some sort of undefined Brexit. It actually came down to about 25% of the entire population. By any reasonable analysis non voters can be seen as de facto voters for remaining in as much as they are for 'no change'.

 

Lord Powell who knew and understood Margaret Thatcher better than most said, "She would not have approved of holding a referendum at all on the subject of Britain's relations with Europe. She thought referendums were in a way the devil's work. She thought they were the instrument of tyrannies ... and therefore a referendum was simply not the best way to proceed under the British constitutional arrangements." "I think she would have worked much more through the system in the sense of working through European institutions but also through the British system to a much greater extent than people allow for. She's someone who would have worked with the civil service, with the Foreign Office." That approach made her unpopular with the right wing within the party, who have never stopped campaigning against membership. It would seem that many of the right wing parties in Europe having seen the disaster in the UK and stated that they would take the Thatcher approach by working from within to bring about changes they wish to see. The problem there is that none of these right wing parties can agree on the economic path they wish to take, so to form a block is proving almost impossible.

 

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A Facebook page that I read, but don't contribute to, covers people living all around Europe. It has been conducting a poll of the methods that people used to express their view in the election. So far, it only started last night, 100 people have responded. 50% were barred from voting in the UK by the 15 year rule, 34% voted in the UK without a problem, but 6% never received their voting papers. It will be interesting to see as the numbers grow, 2,000 in this group, if the 6% figure grows or reduces.