Off Topic Politics Thread

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Anyway... VOTED. That felt OK. Usually when I vote for my MP I know my vote will count for zero [Caroline Nokes - Romsey & Southampton North]. She gets in on a landslide each time. Designed of course by boundary changes from a previous Tory Government. There's democracy for you.
This time it was a case of which was more important to me. Climate Crisis [that's the official nomenclature now] or Brexit. Which meant Green Party or Liberal Democrats. Both stand for the environment. Both stand for remaining in the EU. But the climate is more important to me. Truthfully, I would take Brexit tomorrow, if the incoming government after this disaster, promised to concentrate on going carbon neutral in the shortest possible time. That's by 2025 [Extinction Rebellion figure]. I'd even accept 2030 at the outside for Brexit. But nobody will who wants to come out of the EU has the remotest responsible enough attitude [Labour possibly excepted on both counts] towards the environment. So Green Party it was for me. Felt good to vote for a party I actually want. And don't tell me it was wasted. We'll see.
 
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TheSecondStain said:
Anyway... VOTED. That felt OK. Usually when I vote for my MP I know my vote will count for zero [Caroline Nokes - Romsey & Southampton North]. She gets in on a landslide each time. Designed of course by boundary changes from a previous Tory Government. There's democracy for you.
This time it was a case of which was more important to me. Climate Crisis [that's the official nomenclature now] or Brexit. Which meant Green Party of Liberal Democrats. Both stand for the environment. Both stand for remaining in the EU. But the climate is more important to me. Truthfully, I would take Brexit tomorrow, if the incoming government after this disaster, promised to concentrate on going carbon neutral in the shortest possible time. That's by 2025 [Extinction Rebellion figure]. I'd even accept 2030 at the outside for Brexit. But nobody will who wants to come out of the EU has the remotest responsibe enough attitude [Labour possibly excepted on both counts] towards the environment. So Green Party it was for me. Felt good to vote for a party I actually want. And don't tell me it was wasted. We'll see.
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Posted my green vote several days ago now, pity the remain parties, who seem to have a similar environmental approach, couldn't present a united remain platform. Anyway this vote done it's on to the next one, probably the peoples vote on EU membership if art. 50 isn't revoked.
 
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TheSecondStain said:
Anyway... VOTED. That felt OK. Usually when I vote for my MP I know my vote will count for zero [Caroline Nokes - Romsey & Southampton North]. She gets in on a landslide each time. Designed of course by boundary changes from a previous Tory Government. There's democracy for you.
This time it was a case of which was more important to me. Climate Crisis [that's the official nomenclature now] or Brexit. Which meant Green Party of Liberal Democrats. Both stand for the environment. Both stand for remaining in the EU. But the climate is more important to me. Truthfully, I would take Brexit tomorrow, if the incoming government after this disaster, promised to concentrate on going carbon neutral in the shortest possible time. That's by 2025 [Extinction Rebellion figure]. I'd even accept 2030 at the outside for Brexit. But nobody will who wants to come out of the EU has the remotest responsibe enough attitude [Labour possibly excepted on both counts] towards the environment. So Green Party it was for me. Felt good to vote for a party I actually want. And don't tell me it was wasted. We'll see.
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In the South West we have a situation where the 5 seats are either going to go 4 Brexit Party - 1 Lib Dem, or 3 BP - 1 LD - 1 Green. This means that if too many Remainers vote Lib Dem it will allow a 4th Faragist in, so it’s obvious where tactical voters must apply their cross. For that reason, as well as the excellent reasons you state TSS, I’ll be voting for the superb Molly Scott Cato of the Green Party.
 
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:emoticon-0148-yes: StJabbo. Meant to have this next subject in with the previous post, but I'd like as many people to read this anyway. I bought a good book last week called There Is No Planet B, by Mike Berners-Lee. He is thee go-to expert on carbon footprints. So if you want to see how to minimise yours, without having to wear a sackcloth shirt and a towel, this book is what you need. You will obtain a deep understanding of the impact humanity makes on this Earth, and will know exactly what you are talking about when you give an opinion. Now, isn't that a nice thought.
I'm not going to give you an Amazon link, because I'm not Amazon's greatest admirer. It can be obtained in Waterstones

https://www.waterstones.com/book/there-is-no-planet-b/mike-berners-lee/9781108439589

or even ebay for that matter. ebay uk search below:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_...he+Make+or+Break+Years+9781108439589&_sacat=0

Oh yeah, as you thought, brother Tim invented the WWW.
 
Archers Road said:
He actually believes the rubbish he spouts about WTO terms etc. Boris Johnson and Farage know it’s all twaddle but don’t care so long as it benefits them.

The European Research Group has produced no serious research of any kind, at all. They’re flat earthers mate; actual idiots.
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The only thing I disagree with you is his level of belief. I don´t think he believes a word he says, unlike Bill Cash who does, but it suits his narrative.
 
The Remain strategy: Region-by-region voting guide

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-...remain-strategy-region-by-region-voting-guide


Pretty interesting read and handy if you're at all torn.

I too was looking at both Greens and Liberal Democrats, but owing to the nature of the seats as they stand - (I'm registered to vote in the Eastern region, despite living in London since the end of October) - I went Liberal Democrat.
 
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I know of a German EU citizen who returned their documentation for this election on May 2, and found out today their paperwork hadn't been processed by the council until May 16, missing the deadline by about nine days.

Not a good look.
 
TheSecondStain said:
Anyway... VOTED. That felt OK. Usually when I vote for my MP I know my vote will count for zero [Caroline Nokes - Romsey & Southampton North]. She gets in on a landslide each time. Designed of course by boundary changes from a previous Tory Government. There's democracy for you.
This time it was a case of which was more important to me. Climate Crisis [that's the official nomenclature now] or Brexit. Which meant Green Party or Liberal Democrats. Both stand for the environment. Both stand for remaining in the EU. But the climate is more important to me. Truthfully, I would take Brexit tomorrow, if the incoming government after this disaster, promised to concentrate on going carbon neutral in the shortest possible time. That's by 2025 [Extinction Rebellion figure]. I'd even accept 2030 at the outside for Brexit. But nobody will who wants to come out of the EU has the remotest responsible enough attitude [Labour possibly excepted on both counts] towards the environment. So Green Party it was for me. Felt good to vote for a party I actually want. And don't tell me it was wasted. We'll see.
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The problem is the best way to deal with a climate crisis is by collaborative inter-governmental action, you know assort of Union where we can agree common rules.
 
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The problem is the best way to deal with a climate crisis is by collaborative inter-governmental action, you know assort of Union where we can agree common rules.
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Let's see... is there one we know of at present? Of course, the bigger the Union, the greater difference it would make. Hmm, I wonder... <whistle>

Btw, did you know that the term 'Climate Change' was invented by a scientist... from the fossil fuel industry. It was designed to 'normalise' Global Warming, and be slightly more accurate at the same time. However, all it really does is achieve the first aim.
 
Please don’t be under any illusion that Rees-Mogg is stupid. He understands perfectly the reasons why no-deal, or any Brexit, will be respectively catastrophic and disastrous for the people of this country, but knows that none of it applies to himself. His money, or most of it, is safe offshore, and the main reason he is so keen on leaving the EU as soon as possible is the Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive which should have been applied in the UK, as with other EU Member States, from the 1st January, but because of Brexit hasn’t yet. This would mean the poor chap having to pay tax, for goodness sake, on all his earnings, UK or not.

It’s worth remembering that nothing, absolutely nothing, he says about any possible benefits of trading on WTO terms or other unicorn fantasies, is actually true. Even one of Farage’s hapless Brexit Party candidates forgot the party myth-line when she said that we would be a poorer country for at least 30 years following a crash Brexit.
 
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Denial of vote. Should be viewed as a crime. Heads should roll for that.
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Theresa May was asked to do something about this in PMQ’s yesterday. She was asked to make sure the appropriate forms were available today at Polling Stations for EU residents to register on the spot before voting, but she waffled a bit and said it couldn’t be done.

It bloody well should have been done, and as you say, it constitutes a violation of human rights that it wasn’t done.
 
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