The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thur 16th May)

[Oldsparkey]

The history is that these players follow your manager from club to club but never seem to play for them. Their daddy is an agent that your manager seems to do a lot of transactions with.

What do you mean the players follow Warnock from club to club? If you're talking about the McKay twins (which you are), Warnock had left your club years before you lot signed them in the first place, so how did they follow him?

The one player who did follow him was Bamba who you lot slung out and cancelled his contract because he spoke out about Cellino.

You loss our gain in that case, but FFS, get your facts right before your foot gets jammed in your mouth again.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

WJ - there's a good moral case for "intent being binding" but it doesn't stack up in contractual law. The registration of a player is dependant upon the footballing authorities to sanction no matter what the intent was.

This is the overiding principle in deciding "ownership" (terrible phrase) of the player and the resultant responsibilities of their respective insurers. Amongst other things, there were issues that Sala wanted his signing on fee paid up front directly to his mother but that breaches Premier League rules and the contract was rejected.

Until the relevant authorities including The Premier League, FIFA and the FAW over international registration sanctioned the move, Sala remained a Nantes player.

So Sala his mum, warnock and his agent were in the process of working a dodgy deal. No surprise on that one then.

 

[milkyboy]

I just wonder how many on here think how stupid you are.

Chesh is one of the smartest guys here. In the kingdom of the blind....

 

[Oldsparkey]

Just the one very deluded welshman I recon.

At least I'm a Welshman who can spell.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

At least I'm a Welshman who can spell.

So you're the one, I knew there must be at least one

 

[Oldsparkey]

...I'm on holiday down in deepest Devon this week guys, and I'm really enjoying this thread - beats doing the washing up......

 

[Oldsparkey]

Just going for a piss - those Peronis go straight through me......,

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

At least I'm a Welshman who can spell.

The old lost the argument, become a spelling policeman

 

[Eric Le Merde]

...I'm on holiday down in deepest Devon this week guys, and I'm really enjoying this thread - beats doing the washing up......

Go put your marigolds back on and do some work you slacker

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Just going for a piss - those Peronis go straight through me......,

Best bit of you gone then

 

[Eric Le Merde]

You said it

Just way too soon for this sort of post, I hadn't slept since the game, now I've had a good nights sleep.

 

[Oldsparkey]

Ahh well, back now - that was a relief.

Can't say I blame some of you guys trying to divert attention from your own personal tragedy.

How's it going Eric? Been banned lately?

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Ahh well, back now - that was a relief.

Can't say I blame some of you guys trying to divert attention from your own personal tragedy.

How's it going Eric? Been banned lately?

Personal tragedy it's only football, pull yourself together man.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

Ahh well, back now - that was a relief.

Can't say I blame some of you guys trying to divert attention from your own personal tragedy.

How's it going Eric? Been banned lately?

I still am in some quarters Mate, can't say it bothers me overly. I can't blame you for holidaying in England, given the lack of options in your native country, have a good one. Don't pinch the knives and forks.

 

[Oldsparkey]

Personal tragedy it's only football, pull yourself together man.

Exactly - and make like a pair of curtains........

 

[Oldsparkey]

I still am in some quarters Mate, can't say it bothers me overly. I can't blame you for holidaying in England, given the lack of options in your native country, have a good one. Don't pinch the knives and forks.

The knives and forks are safe pal - we're still working out how to use them.

 

[Whitejock]

WJ - there's a good moral case for "intent being binding" but it doesn't stack up in contractual law. The registration of a player is dependant upon the footballing authorities to sanction no matter what the intent was.

This is the overiding principle in deciding "ownership" (terrible phrase) of the player and the resultant responsibilities of their respective insurers. Amongst other things, there were issues that Sala wanted his signing on fee paid up front directly to his mother but that breaches Premier League rules and the contract was rejected.

Until the relevant authorities including The Premier League, FIFA and the FAW over international registration sanctioned the move, Sala remained a Nantes player.

Re. the question of 'ownership', surely it is the institution that paid his last salary that's the owner? He may well have signed a contract with Cardiff, but surely one standard caveat would be that it was subject to approval by the authorities?

Don't the PL provide template contracts that cover all their basic requirements as caveats? You would think so, especially with the sums of money being so obscene.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

Re. the question of 'ownership', surely it is the institution that paid his last salary that's the owner? He may well have signed a contract with Cardiff, but surely one standard caveat would be that it was subject to approval by the authorities?

Don't the PL provide template contracts that cover all their basic requirements as caveats? You would think so, especially with the sums of money being so obscene.

It's a difficult issue at a personal level so keeping out of that issue. For a contract to be valid there has to be consideration without this there may not have been a valid contract.

 

[Oldsparkey]

Re. the question of 'ownership', surely it is the institution that paid his last salary that's the owner? He may well have signed a contract with Cardiff, but surely one standard caveat would be that it was subject to approval by the authorities?

Don't the PL provide template contracts that cover all their basic requirements as caveats? You would think so, especially with the sums of money being so obscene.

It's a difficult issue at a personal level so keeping out of that issue. For a contract to be valid there has to be consideration without this there may not have been a valid contract.

Despite the "moral obligation" that detractors keep droning on about, in football a contract signed in good faith between the player and two clubs is not binding until ratified by the authorities under whose auspices they operate. This is all that matters under contractual law and will be the sole principle upon which resposibilities will be apportioned.

At the time of the lad's tragic death, he was a still a Nantes player under FIFA, PL, FFF and FAW rules. The contracts previously signed were not valid for a variety of reasons and were rejected by those governing authorities. The transfer was consequently voided until the correct documentation was recieved and approved by those organisations.

The fact that Sala was on his way back to sign ammended contracts means nothing in contractual law and the touting of "intent" as being justification for assuming he was a Cardiff player doesn't wash with insurance companies - they will only indemnify a club against its' responsibilities in law, not sentiment.

This may all seem bloody petty when set against a young man's death, but that's the way it is - it's all about the insurance companies driving this.

 

[2 pennth]

But strengthen what?

Finishing power was indeed an issue, but look at the table & you'll see we scored a load of goals. The same table will also tell you how many we conceded, which IMO is an even bigger problem. Haven't analysed it yet, but suspect we lost most of them in the second half of the season.

First off Defence. Stat says first half of season we conceded 20 goals 2nd half we conceded 30goals league only.
By my reckoning that's an increase of 50% which denotes a problem.