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Very good as far as it goes but the divisions in English society are far older than Brexit. I recently read a study which concluded that the rate of social mobility in England is the lowest in the Western World - where there is a twelve year difference between life expectancy in different parts of the country then you have a problem, with or without Brexit. The same study concluded that nearly a thousand years after William came over in 1066 the names of Darcy, Percy, Mandeville and Montgomery (amongst other Norman names) are still over represented in our elite Universities, and in other high profile professions. Apparently the same names at the top of the social scale in 1066 remain amongst the elite now. Apparently social mobility in England is hardly greater than in Medieval times and people are more likely to inherit social status than they are to inherit physical features such as height.
 
Swedish prosecutors have reopened the rape investigation into Assange. The deputy director of public prosecutions said ' there is still a probable cause to suspect that he committed a rape".
 
I was born during the second world war, although remember none of it. However my parents lived through it and remember how it had all started. It was explained to me how during the 1930's a man had whipped up resentment against the standard of living that many people had, and claimed to have all the answers. Today we see a man doing the same thing again. Nothing written down as that might come back to haunt him, no one to hold him in check as he doesn't allow members of his party, it is just him, yet he has an adoring following. It has been said that every 70-80 years people die out and the new generation do not learn the lessons of the past. With the chanting of Nigel, Nigel, it all sounds horribly similar to the 1930's.
 
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colognehornet said:
Very good as far as it goes but the divisions in English society are far older than Brexit. I recently read a study which concluded that the rate of social mobility in England is the lowest in the Western World - where there is a twelve year difference between life expectancy in different parts of the country then you have a problem, with or without Brexit. The same study concluded that nearly a thousand years after William came over in 1066 the names of Darcy, Percy, Mandeville and Montgomery (amongst other Norman names) are still over represented in our elite Universities, and in other high profile professions. Apparently the same names at the top of the social scale in 1066 remain amongst the elite now. Apparently social mobility in England is hardly greater than in Medieval times and people are more likely to inherit social status than they are to inherit physical features such as height.
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One of the neighbouring villages to me when I lived in the UK was called Thorpe Mandeville. It had been a village owned at one time by the Mandeville family. Today it is a village of people with very mixed backgrounds. It still has quite a large number of those who have not bought their council houses, but equally those who have well paid jobs at Mercedes in Brackley. I doubt that too many of them are worried about what the situation was in 1066, but they are very worried about HS2 that will go right past the community, and the prospect of the racing team leaving for the EU.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
I was born during the second world war, although remember none of it. However my parents lived through it and remember how it had all started. It was explained to me how during the 1930's a man had whipped up resentment against the standard of living that many people had, and claimed to have all the answers. Today we see a man doing the same thing again. Nothing written down as that might come back to haunt him, no one to hold him in check as he doesn't allow members of his party, it is just him, yet he has an adoring following. It has been said that every 70-80 years people die out and the new generation do not learn the lessons of the past. With the chanting of Nigel, Nigel, it all sounds horribly similar to the 1930's.
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Absolutely ridiculous to compare Farage To Hitler if that is what you are trying to do. Farage has massive support from those disappointed by the delay to Brexit. All he wants is the democratic decision taken in the referendum to be carried out as promised by parliament. The latest poll gives his new party a larger vote share than the Tories and Labour combined. He seems destined to continue to be the most influential politician of recent times.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
One of the neighbouring villages to me when I lived in the UK was called Thorpe Mandeville. It had been a village owned at one time by the Mandeville family. Today it is a village of people with very mixed backgrounds. It still has quite a large number of those who have not bought their council houses, but equally those who have well paid jobs at Mercedes in Brackley. I doubt that too many of them are worried about what the situation was in 1066, but they are very worried about HS2 that will go right past the community, and the prospect of the racing team leaving for the EU.
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It's a bit late in the day to go digging at the Normans Frenchie, it's all been done before. However, the UK. has the second most unequal land distribution in the entire World - only lagging behind Brazil in this. Less than 1% of the British population actually owns over half the available rural land - in short around 120,000 families own over half the countries available space. This is a mixture of wealthy investors, Royals and aristocracy. When the Brexiteers come out with phrases like 'we want to take back our country' then it is wise to actually ask the question 'who actually owns Britain'. They may find that nearly half of the country actually belongs to families which can trace their ancestry back to one of the biggest land grabs of all time. William the Conqueror may be dead but he would instantly recognize the Britain of today when referring to this issue of inequitable land ownership - which is the mother of so many other inequalities.
 
superhorns said:
Absolutely ridiculous to compare Farage To Hitler if that is what you are trying to do. Farage has massive support from those disappointed by the delay to Brexit. All he wants is the democratic decision taken in the referendum to be carried out as promised by parliament. The latest poll gives his new party a larger vote share than the Tories and Labour combined. He seems destined to continue to be the most influential politician of recent times.
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Ah, the man who throws a tantrum when he is asked questions that he would rather not answer. His followers calling ladies c****, because he was shown up to be a con-man and fraud. Nothing to do with democracy, but everything to do with a man who thinks he has yet another chance despite being rejected seven times by the electorate. If you believe in him then go against your previous hero Moggy and vote for him, but be prepared for it to see off the Tory party that your pay to belong to for years to come.
 
colognehornet said:
It's a bit late in the day to go digging at the Normans Frenchie, it's all been done before. However, the UK. has the second most unequal land distribution in the entire World - only lagging behind Brazil in this. Less than 1% of the British population actually owns over half the available rural land - in short around 120,000 families own over half the countries available space. This is a mixture of wealthy investors, Royals and aristocracy. When the Brexiteers come out with phrases like 'we want to take back our country' then it is wise to actually ask the question 'who actually owns Britain'. They may find that nearly half of the country actually belongs to families which can trace their ancestry back to one of the biggest land grabs of all time. William the Conqueror may be dead but he would instantly recognize the Britain of today when referring to this issue of inequitable land ownership - which is the mother of so many other inequalities.
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Not disagreeing with you cologne, but I don't think that those who live in the council houses, or the executive five bedrooms houses are overly worried about who owns the land that they live on. I knew many small and large farmers in the UK, and found that the largest received far better treatment when it came down to grants and payments than the small ones. Clearly totally unfair, but that was political decisions from those who didn't want to see any change from those who supported them.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
Ah, the man who throws a tantrum when he is asked questions that he would rather not answer. His followers calling ladies c****, because he was shown up to be a con-man and fraud. Nothing to do with democracy, but everything to do with a man who thinks he has yet another chance despite being rejected seven times by the electorate. If you believe in him then go against your previous hero Moggy and vote for him, but be prepared for it to see off the Tory party that your pay to belong to for years to come.
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The UK will make his Brexit party the largest U.K. group in the European Parliament. He is clearly the most popular politician in the land at the moment, you obviously wrote him off far too soon. His success will undoubtedly lead to influencing the U.K. government again as he did with Cameron' s government. He will also encourage the growing number of eurosceptic groups throughout Europe, the new European Parliament will be very different.
 
superhorns said:
The UK will make his Brexit party the largest U.K. group in the European Parliament. He is clearly the most popular politician in the land at the moment, you obviously wrote him off far too soon. His success will undoubtedly lead to influencing the U.K. government again as he did with Cameron' s government. He will also encourage the growing number of eurosceptic groups throughout Europe, the new European Parliament will be very different.
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No comment about how he was shown up as a fraud yesterday? His behaviour was disgusting, yet you still wish to support such a man. You really have been taken in. First Johnson, then Moggy, now Farage. When will you decide what you do believe?
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
No comment about how he was shown up as a fraud yesterday? His behaviour was disgusting, yet you still wish to support such a man. You really have been taken in. First Johnson, then Moggy, now Farage. When will you decide what you do believe?
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All those quoted believe in democracy
 
superhorns said:
I will be joining millions of Tory and Labour voters in supporting the Brexit party solely in the European elections.
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This will send a message to those trying to halt Brexit and cause havoc in the European Parliament if they foolishly let the MEPs take their seats.
 
superhorns said:
I will be joining millions of Tory and Labour voters in supporting the Brexit party solely in the European elections.
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It should be fun watching your party come in behind the Greens and almost everyone else. Should be enough to see them off for many a long year. Shame that you have be taken in however by a man who doesn't want you to know what his plans are. That doesn't sound very democratic to me.
 
superhorns said:
This will send a message to those trying to halt Brexit and cause havoc in the European Parliament if they foolishly let the MEPs take their seats.
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What are you talking about? You leavers are a minority of the population as shown by every poll taken over the last nine months. Why should you wish to create havoc in the EU? Surely you have created enough in Westminster.
 
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