Decisions against Hamilton.... etc

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Surely the Schumacher 'Changed direction twice' incident is the exact same thing as what Lewis did earlier in the season, and got penalised for?

It disgusts me to see the amount of stick this guy gets. Granted, he gets involved in a lot of incidents, but the main reason I hate it is, well, you know, he's british, and it's natural to say 'REF, THAT'S A YELLOW CARD!' except in formula one :)

It's just this: He gets into a lot of incidents, right? But the laws of probablity mean that one should go his way eventually! Look at the stuff other teams have gotten away with in the past, far, far worse!

None of these decisions that were debatable (as in, the ones that weren't so bleeding obvious it wasn't his fault (and some that were, lol)) go his way.
 
If any decision against Hamilton sticks in my throat, It was v Kimi at Spa. He was basically retrospectively hit with a rule change in my mind.

Today... I have no complaints... Maybe I'm old school, but I respect and enjoy that kind of defensive driving. They're trying to make it too easy to overtake, but racing isn't all about overtaking.
 
I agree that Schumacher bent the rules (again) and got away with it (again). I thought Hamilton's reaction was properly and correctly restrained.

What Schumacher did was dangerous (again).
 
if you give penalties for an unintended collision, then surely premeditated attempts at causing one should also incur a penalty, what Schumacher did was outrageous, it was exactly the same move he did on Rubens, the only difference was Lewis backed off and Rubens didn't. Trying to purposefully barge someone off the track should be a ban IMO, especially for someone who has already been disq from a championship for it, given a 10 place penalty for it, warned about it constantly, it's a ****ing joke.
 
Schumacher has always pushed the boundaries (even made up his own rules?) and shows about as much respect for his peers as a recently banned member did here in this forum.

For all those who worship the darker side of motor racing: nothing's changed - you still have your anti-hero.
 
omfg, you guys for real? Medicating much or just born delusional? Sorry but seriously? Do you seriously believe that the marshalls would favour MSC? Or work against HAM? After all the Crap MSC have gotten through the years its funny how you could claim that. Hamilton not even close there.

MSC have always been trying to bend the limits and rules to his advantage and often it has worked great in his favour. But many times it has also gone against him big time. I think we all remember or know some of those incidents so no need to bring anything up. But that trait of him is a HUGE Part of what i LIKE with MSC. I don't want to go into the rubens debate but let me just point out that later footage from other angles than BBC had initially shown, shows that it wasn't really all that dramatic.

I fail to see what the OP is really after. What decision was against Hamilton? If they Marshalls would have deemed MSC's driving braking the rules they would have given him a penalty. But how exactly would that have Favoured Lewis?

Seriosuly, Both Lewis and Schumi had a great race today. Be happy for them. Or would you rather have a repeat of Spa? Many people questioned Lewis there thinking he should get a Ban, TWICE during the weekend. Yet he got away with a warning wasn't it? Well he DNFed as well.

Sheesh

I personally wish we get more battles like this one between MSC and HAM we had today in every race.
 
Chrispa: for what it's worth, I really enjoyed the battle too!

I think Samurai was getting at what he/she perhaps sees as a discrepancy in the 'refereeing' decision we saw today. There are occasions where the line between right and wrong is rather blurred but one must bear in mind that squeezing another driver off the circuit and/or moving twice (both of which Schumacher did within a short space of time) are against the rules for a good reason.

Focussing on the squeezing; when this forces another driver to take avoiding action by driving off the circuit at 170mph, it is dangerous. And yes; in this case, it really is that simple. Slick tyres have virtually no grip on grass at high speed.

On the second point of a 'double-move'; the rule is clear (whether or not you agree with it).
 
Despite the rules... I love that kind of racing. I hate the one move rule, I hate DRS and I hate KERS. I can take more enjoyment from a good honest scrap than a simple fly by.
 
@cosicave

I see where you are coming from, but i have a slightly different view.

Now I am not entirely sure that I remember when Hamilton got penalized for changing directions more than once so I do not want to compare them. But talking about today only, I agree that MSC came close of braking the rules, though it is far from a crystal clear case if you ask me after looking at the only one angle and camera view BBC provided. Yes it looks like he is swearing back and forth to cover the entire track but after a closer look, one could argue that he actually only change direction to defend once. He had already moved to one side of the track when he starts to defend and then changing direction once time. Putting it together it looks like 2 moves. Ok don't get me wrong, I am not trying to claim MSC innocent, but at the same time it to me doesn't really look that it is all that crystal. That is MSC's game, to be in the grey zone and try to get away with it. I understand people don't like that but personally love it.

Talking about squeezing, I really didn't see it being all that bad but I can't get Iplayer working and watch it again so my memory isn't really perfect I don't remember it being too bad. Was it sort of similar to what Hamilton did towards Kobayashi in Spa? Well except that they actually touched in spa. In my mind and memory Ham's move on Kob was worse that Schumi's on Ham today. But I let you be judge of that for your self, and should it be you agree with the similarities and severity of them both incidents even though only one led to a crash, maybe the stewards arn't too skewed after all? ;)
 
cosicave said:
Schumacher has always pushed the boundaries (even made up his own rules?) and shows about as much respect for his peers as a recently banned member did here in this forum.

For all those who worship the darker side of motor racing: nothing's changed - you still have your anti-hero.
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Slight exagerration here, got to say I enjoyed Schumi defending today, it was a throwback to the good old days of non-sanitized racing. I agree that Schumi made more than one move but that doesn't make him the devil himself, the races would be so much more boring without the likes of Schumi and Hamilton firing people up with their controversial driving styles and tactics.
 
Thomsen:1277358 said:
Slight exagerration here, got to say I enjoyed Schumi defending today, it was a throwback to the good old days of non-sanitized racing. I agree that Schumi made more than one move but that doesn't make him the devil himself, the races would be so much more boring without the likes of Schumi and Hamilton firing people up with their controversial driving styles and tactics.
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Where's the like button? :)
 
There will be people both against Michael or Hamilton in this debate, the thing is racing actually occurred in Monza, and for once ... it was interesting to watch.
 
I know someone has mentioned the Spa 08 penalty, the one that I still think is the worst penalty ever, was giveng Hamilton a penalty at Fuji, also 2008 i think, where he broke a bit late for the first corner which made a couple of guys go a bit wide!

No collisions, no one retired, but he got a drive through for missing his braking point by 5 metres!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LixCxxbMBqg
 
Both drivers are feisty, the end product is fantastic racing and whining/biased people.
 
MannyF1MSC said:
Both drivers are feisty, the end product is fantastic racing and whining/biased people.
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It was an entrhralling battle to watch.

You had the question of how far was Hamilton going to push the limits of overtaking in order to get past Schuey, and then how far would Schuey push the limits of defending to keep Hamilton behind!

It did look at one point there would be an almighty crash at Curva Grande!

If Hamilton hadn;t backed out, I wonder what the reaction would have been then? Would it have been considered dangerous driving from Schuey or Hamilton?
 
MannyF1MSC said:
There will be people both against Michael or Hamilton in this debate, the thing is racing actually occurred in Monza, and for once ... it was interesting to watch.
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Completely agree with this, it was great to watch. I personally didn’t see much wrong with it, yes I know it was a little bit tough, but that’s Schumacher, you know that’s what you are going to get.

I did laugh when Button just cruised up and pasted Schumacher straight away. Fair play to Lewis, he handled himself much better, inside the car and outside the car, much better than he has recently.
 
Personally I'd rather have a grid of Hamiltons and Schumachers battling and bending rules than most other drivers. Both work to take positions and work to keep them, they don't just drive the fastest car around a single lap in quail then win every race they start from pole while claiming it's them and not the car.
 
If the one move rule was scrtapped there would be no overtaking, it's far too easy to just weave from side to side on straights. What Schumacher did to hamilton was bannable imo, It's was no different to what he did to Barricello, no different at all, he saw he was about to be overtaken so he tried to barge him off the road, the stewards and the FIA are a ****ing joke if they penalise accidental collisions and let premeditated dangerous driving go unpunished. If he'd done that to me on a race track he'd be visiting a dental proctologist to extract his teeth from his arse where I'd kicked them.

and bob, you don;t have to work to keep someone behind you if you break the rules to do it, that ain't skill, it's the total opposite, it shows a lack of it. Schumacher only has 7 titles because he, and his team principles, were cheats.
 
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