Decisions against Hamilton.... etc

Are you not diluting his skills by suggesting he needs a winning car to win? Most drivers can win with a winning car!!

Surely an own goal there?

 

I am including mechanical issues or incidents, no driver or car is perfect, can any one from outside the top three teams win a race..no.

 

Schumacher won't win jack **** next year, even when he cheats he loses these days.

 

Schumi is as Schumi does. I'm not sure that it was his defence tactics that I have a problem with, it's more that they prevented the Mclarens from challenging Vettel for the win and giving us a more meaningful battle to watch. Michael also tried to hold Lewis up in Barcelona, didn't like that either.

 

laughable really when you consider Hamilton also nearly pushing Alonso into the wall at the start was much more similar to the Barrichello incident than anything schumacher pulled. Its what most of you have been waiting for, the time when Schumacher roughed up Hamilton a bit so you can once again proclaim him the anti-christ. Does no one remember that it was Hamilton's defensive behaviour of the past two seasons that has brought the two move rule debate back to the fore?

 

I was thinking the same the other day.

It was because of schumacher the Rule was placed but because of Hamilton that we talk about it now. I suppose maybe we have left the blip in the sport where cars didnt overtake on track and now it is common place again it was bound to get this agressive style of defending which I blame on DRS making it slightly too easy to overtake.

 

At the start they were 3 abreast and it's always like that. doing it in race, trying to put someone off the track or making 2 moves is ILLEGAL, which is why Hamilton GOT A PENALTY for it this year. And why Schumacher has been kicked out of one championship, given numerous penalties for it, because he is a dirty ramming cheat and always has been.

 

Don't blame MSC for not driving the way you want him to drive. Contact the FIA to change the rules. Clearly he did NOT brake the rules yesterday, otherwise he would have had a penalty by now. And if you think the Stewards are being BIASED, then again, please blame them and not MSC.

And why is there still discussions about MSC in this thread anyway? This is supposed to be about "decisions against Hamilton" :/

 

The FIA changed the rules in the first place because of Schumacher's driving as befor ethen there was no need for offical overtaking etiquette to be written into the F1 rules. There was such a thing as a gentleman's agreement as to what was and wasn't acceptable. Schuey ignored this and thus forced the FIA to make rules to stop him driving people off the track.

 

Is that fact or hearsay?(serious question) But even if it is, my point being that he wasn't penalized yesterday hence did not breake the rules, unless the stewards choose to overlook something. If they did, which I doubt, they should be accused instead of MCS.

 

The rules were brought in whilst Schuey was in his 'prime' due to various incidents and his on track actions that left other drivers either deeply unimpressed or wanted clarity as to what was and wasn't acceptable on the race track.

If you are unfamiliar with the period from 1994 to say 1999 when most of these incidents took place (and I mean more than the Hill & Villenueve WDC incidents) it is worth taking a look at his history of driving standards from back then.

 

I believe it was Hakkinan who complained the most about MS's driving off the start where he would swerve about

 

I have read all of your comments Chris - very thoroughly in fact; and agree with you that the title of this thread is inconsistent with the author's very first sentence. I will return to this theme below, since Manny has also referred to Schumacher being "dragged into everything…" as follows:

I would now like to remind people of the author's very first sentence in his very first post, which immediately speaks of Schumacher, even before Hamilton!:

And here is Mephisto making a similar observation:

I agree with the above post by Mephisto, in which he makes the point that several others (including myself) have attempted; and in particular, makes a very reasonable request for adequate moderation - which could have side-stepped what has become a distorted double-debate which appears to be making lots of people defensive or critical of others, whilst not addressing the central theme of the thread: inconsistent decisions by race stewards.

A simple change in the title might have avoided diverting and diluting much of this thread.

 

To be fair to Schumacher, he learnt his trade watching Senna. I remember Senna cutting in front of, and well, into, Berger to get past quickly. Senna was just as, if not more so, ruthless as Schumacher.

I’m sure if we went back further there would be another driver before Senna, etc.

 

Cheers I have been following the sport since about 1988, though i live in Sweden and haven't always had the best coverage. Plus, I stopped watching for a few years after Senna died so yeah that's exactly those few years . But really, stuff like what he did in Qualify in Monaco parking in the middle of the road trying to end it early, I really thought that would had been brilliant would he have gotten away with it. Now he was penalized for it and he accepted it and moved on. I don't understand why people have an issue with him trying to bend the rules and gain advantages. It is just like a long jumpers try to hit as close to the board every time, sometimes they step over the line and the jump gets DQ'ed.

Don't blame him for trying, work to change/strictern the rules even more instead. But I personally believe that if we would have a vote, most people would like to loosen up some of those rules getting a little more excitement back.

 

I've edited the title but when doing comparisons other drivers will have to be brought up.

 

I still wonder how MSC not being penalized could be interpreted as a decision against Hamilton :/

 

I'm assuming its related to Hamilton doing the same thing and getting punished. Or that's the op's opinion.

 

Yes you are right and he makes that pretty clear really. But then some other posters made this about Schumacher instead of Hamilton.

 

You're kidding, right?

Alonso was heading down a narrowing section of tarmac and was there of his own choosing. Hamilton was the filling in a RBR/Ferrari sandwhich... not really much chance for him to go anywhere.