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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
They are not very green Lib Dem’s round our way. Every couple of weeks a bit of paper is shoved through the door to tell us how brilliantly their local councillors are doing in stopping new developments in the area.

I’m saving these missives for a bonfire.

Had some fun with some UKIP canvassers who were out in force again in town yesterday. They are now very scruffy elderly people who look like they sleep under a bridge somewhere, rather than the tweed set of Farage vintage. I asked what their problem with foreigners was. Instead of the logical response ‘why assume that I have a problem?’ Etc I got a lot of quasi racist bullshit about jobs and services and crime rates, and, I promise you ‘you wouldn’t want one living next door to you, would you’. I offered to introduce them to my Portuguese neighbour. They aren’t clever enough to be real fascists, they are just ignorant bigots, and I will lump in anyone who votes for them in that description too.

Meanwhile the average age of Conservative party members is calculated to be 72, and the majority of people who vote Tory are aged over 65. As people don’t tend to change their political affiliation much as they age this is great news, they’ll all be gone soon.

Just to make this an even handed swipe at our political parties, Labour have dealt with less than half of the anti semitism complaints received in the last year, and are under pressure to contract out the disciplinary process.
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So our next Prime Minister is likely to be elected by a few thousand OAPs, and will then most probably rush to take us out of the EU with no deal, proclaiming it to be 'the will of the people'. This when many of the people who expressed this will (to leave that is, nobody was asked about leaving with no deal) have died and the young people who have replaced them on the electoral register overwhelmingly wish to remain in the EU. The case for another public vote before leaving, be it a referendum or a GE, is undeniable in my view. Democracy didn't stop in June 2016.
 
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West WindsR said:
On the flipside, a few dozen massive gammon marching with cans of Stella was given equivalent airtime to hundreds of thousands of people showing support for Remain. Not everything has to be about Brexit all the time.
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That'd be the Brexit March when Channel 4 made a racist comment about the number of white people present and had to apologise
 
West WindsR said:
Depends on the tone. It can be said in a racist way but the words on their own are ambiguous enough to not be necessarily.
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Put it in the context of a meeting. Say, a meeting at Labour conference where there was heckling. I'd say that's racist. People are being singled out as to their race or colour. In Snow's case, there were one or two people (probably Robinson supporters) jeering at the end of Downing Street. He linked his white people comment to this.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Put it in the context of a meeting. Say, a meeting at Labour conference where there was heckling. I'd say that's racist. People are being singled out as to their race or colour. In Snow's case, there were one or two people (probably Robinson supporters) jeering at the end of Downing Street. He linked his white people comment to this.
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Like you linked being ‘of Indian heritage’ with being left wing when commenting on a Question Time Panel?

Snow’s comment was pathetic, pointless and stupid. His lack of balance as a journo is legendary. But the response has been equally pathetic and as Windsor says, snowflakely.

Meanwhile the latest episode of national humiliation is underway in Brussels.
 
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Stroller said:
So our next Prime Minister is likely to elected by a few thousand OAPs, and will then most probably rush to take us out of the EU with no deal, proclaiming it to be 'the will of the people'. This when many of the people who expressed this will (to leave that is, nobody was asked about leaving with no deal) have died and the young people who have replaced them on the electoral register overwhelmingly wish to remain in the EU. The case for another public vote before leaving, be it a referendum or a GE, is undeniable in my view. Democracy didn't stop in June 2016.
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But voters have moved up through the different demographics, so 38 year olds are now 41 and as they get older and wiser they may well have changed their minds to now leave. We were all socialists at 18 until we saw how the real world worked!
 
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bc7 said:
But voters have moved up through the different demographics, so 38 year olds are now 41 and as they get older and wiser they may well have changed their minds to now leave. We were all socialists at 18 until we saw how the real world worked!
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It's not about left v right, though. I think young people just tend to feel more a part of Europe because they have grown up as Europeans.
 
bc7 said:
But voters have moved up through the different demographics, so 38 year olds are now 41 and as they get older and wiser they may well have changed their minds to now leave. We were all socialists at 18 until we saw how the real world worked!
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Given the correlation between education and Remain, growing wiser should push them the other way if anything.

@rangercol to confirm.
 
Stroller said:
It's not about left v right, though. I think young people just tend to feel more a part of Europe because they have grown up as Europeans.
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If Brexit ever takes place, they'll find that their every day life goes on much as before. Big issues won't be that noticeable unless they set their heart on being an MEP. They will still be Europeans.
 
sb_73 said:
Like you linked being ‘of Indian heritage’ with being left wing when commenting on a Question Time Panel?

Snow’s comment was pathetic, pointless and stupid. His lack of balance as a journo is legendary. But the response has been equally pathetic and as Windsor says, snowflakely.

Meanwhile the latest episode of national humiliation is underway in Brussels.
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In my view he's right to be censured. We can't have rules that apply to one part of the community and not others.
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
If Brexit ever takes place, they'll find that their every day life goes on much as before. Big issues won't be that noticeable unless they set their heart on being an MEP. They will still be Europeans.
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Well they won't be as able to live and work in Europe as they previously were. I don't think most young people can understand why freedom of movement should be considered a bad thing.
 
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Stroller said:
Well they won't be as able to live and work in Europe as they previously were. I don't think most young people can understand why freedom of movement should be considered a bad thing.
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In most cases, they can still work in the EU. They will not be able to claim benefits and will need health insurance
 
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bc7 said:
But voters have moved up through the different demographics, so 38 year olds are now 41 and as they get older and wiser they may well have changed their minds to now leave. We were all socialists at 18 until we saw how the real world worked!
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I think there is an element of that (and it’s not about wisdom it’s about property and fear of losing it) but also it’s a generational thing. The over 60s and even more those older grew up and had their characters and opinions formed in a much more socially conservative time - homosexuality illegal, abortion illegal, high levels of censorship for ‘obscenity’, still had the death penalty and critically pre EU - but those born later were formed with different social values. Someone who will be 72 in ten years time won’t have the same values as the current average age Tory party member. Graduates tend to be much more socially liberal at all ages, and in the old days there were very few graduates around as a % if the population. Now they are a much bigger % of the younger demographic cohorts.

Tories will either have to change or face a relentless slow decay. At the same time the leadership of Labour is way out of touch, the youngsters want all this easy social justice and egalitarianism but also a level of wealth and materialist consumer choice that these old ideologues will never understand.
 
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