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There will be a major move away of Leavers from the two main parties, particularly the Tories. Where do you think they go to? Farage's Brexit Party or UKIP
Tories and Labour have to hope that Farage and UKIP don't come to a deal and the Leave vote is therefore split.
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I would hope Macron will show Theresa May some respect. After all, he's only 41 and she's nearly old enough to be his wife.
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I would hope Macron will show Theresa May some respect. After all, he's only 41 and she's nearly old enough to be his wife.
Where do I think they’ll go?
Wetherspoon’s probably. UKIP are a pointless far right party now. Farage’s lot are trying to be seen as the acceptable choice. They’re hurting each other by not uniting IMO.
Lib Dems for me.
Yes, Remainers may well rally around the Lib Dem or Chuk parties. These two face the same issue as Farage and Brexit. They don't want to split the vote.
News coming out now that grass roots Tories are incandescent at May's begging bowl approach to Brussels. Something may happen there, a split may not be far away. Remain Tories are facing deselection faster than a South London school exclusion policy.
Politics is about to change before our eyes I think
If Labour were to come out strongly in favour of a further referendum, they could clean up, I reckon. Most Tory Brexit supporters will desert to UKIP or the Farage lot, and all Labour have to do is avoid losing Remainer votes to the LibDems or Tiggers. The Tories stand to lose a lot more than Labour it seems to me.
No doubt the Tories will lose a lot of votes, Strolls. But the idea of Labour cleaning up is an optimistic one from your perspective. There are a huge number of Labour Leavers in the North that will go to Farage/UKIP. And Remain Tories will not vote for Corbyn and McDonnell's party. They'll go Chuk or LIb Dems.
The fringe parties are going to do well, that's all that is certain.
Yes, the Greens will benefit from the chaos. Probably take votes from Labour. Personally. I don't take Caroline Lucas seriously on much, but on general environmental matters I do
Whether they've really got enough clout beyond environmental issues I don't know but i find myself agreeing with her on many things. I do think the next generation of voters growing up with the impacts of what has and is being done to the planet may see the Greens becoming more of a force in politics.
Do you remember when you were a kid and you used to like to fill in application forms for stuff you saw in newspapers and magazines? I think of Lib Dems as being them what still do this in adulthood.
They are not very green Lib Dem’s round our way. Every couple of weeks a bit of paper is shoved through the door to tell us how brilliantly their local councillors are doing in stopping new developments in the area.
I’m saving these missives for a bonfire.
Had some fun with some UKIP canvassers who were out in force again in town yesterday. They are now very scruffy elderly people who look like they sleep under a bridge somewhere, rather than the tweed set of Farage vintage. I asked what their problem with foreigners was. Instead of the logical response ‘why assume that I have a problem?’ Etc I got a lot of quasi racist bullshit about jobs and services and crime rates, and, I promise you ‘you wouldn’t want one living next door to you, would you’. I offered to introduce them to my Portuguese neighbour. They aren’t clever enough to be real fascists, they are just ignorant bigots, and I will lump in anyone who votes for them in that description too.
Meanwhile the average age of Conservative party members is calculated to be 72, and the majority of people who vote Tory are aged over 65. As people don’t tend to change their political affiliation much as they age this is great news, they’ll all be gone soon.
Just to make this an even handed swipe at our political parties, Labour have dealt with less than half of the anti semitism complaints received in the last year, and are under pressure to contract out the disciplinary process.
I may wait for the mass protest
On the flipside, a few dozen massive gammon marching with cans of Stella was given equivalent airtime to hundreds of thousands of people showing support for Remain. Not everything has to be about Brexit all the time.
