Off Topic UK / EU Future
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yorkshirehornet
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Another interesting discussion on Radio four this morning.
Nick Robinson talking about how Europe and Tory infighting has led to the downfall of all recent tory pms.
And a historian saying this is the biggest constitutional crisis in Six hundred years and how the parties and parliamentary system have been irrevocably danaged... Mmm.. Interesting stuff
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Nick Robinson talking about how Europe and Tory infighting has led to the downfall of all recent tory pms.
And a historian saying this is the biggest constitutional crisis in Six hundred years and how the parties and parliamentary system have been irrevocably danaged... Mmm.. Interesting stuff
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Interesting scenario if the Uk leaves without a deal. The EU will force the reluctant Irish to erect a hard border between N.I. and the Republic. Could be a showdown.
One very sensible Tory MP has said that there is only one way out of this mess and that is to revoke article 50, then over the next couple of years hold some debate to find out if there is a common agreement what Brexit actually is. Once a common view has been agreed then new talks could start without the current time limits. To carry on in this way is total madness.
yorkshirehornet
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And *BANG* goes the Good Friday Agreement. Literally, phonetically, figuratively. Bravo!
A gaggle of, perhaps, 50+ people - I'm being generous - waving Union Flags and shouting that they want "Brexit NOW" have marched past the office on their way to Beaconsfield less than an hour ago... I did keep an eye out for a rogue Watford scarf as SH is only, relatively, down the road from here....
yorkshirehornet
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He is probably funding it.. No doubt a good investment [emoji12]
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Probably much nicer than sitting on a dumper truck breathing in the diesel fumes from a digger all day. If only Nige had called me.
I'm sorry Frenchie but this may be practical from the British point of view but the EU does not want to be burdened with a reluctant Britain which is only playing for time thinking of when, and how, to leave. If Britain is going to revoke article 50 it can only be because it wants to stay in for the long term and be a reliable, contributing, partner. The EU does not want to have to begin talks all over again in a couple of years and, in the meantime, think that Britain is just waiting its time.
Yes I do see the arguments from this side of the Channel, and feel sad that they have had to waste so much time and money based on a very dodgy referendum. I think that there is a difference between what people would like to see and the legal position. Some opinion suggests the UK could withdraw and then invoke article 50 again at their time of choosing. The MP was actually saying, and this is a problem with trying to condense things, that discussions should be between the UK and the EU on an almost informal basis, and that article 50 would not be invoked again until both sides were happy and felt that they had something acceptable to both sides.
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Yeah this is exactly why I'm resigned to leaving Cologne. Whilst I do accept the idea that it was a democratic vote so we have to get on with it (all be it reluctantly) I think the idea we could just go back in as though nothing has happened would be folly and we probably are likely to have a better relationship with most Member states, in time, out than had we stayed. I guess it all depends on the nature of the future relationship.
I believe it would be very difficult for everyone should the UK revoke article 50, but legally there is nothing to stop it. The mood that comes from government is that they will do whatever possible to only leave with a deal. They have seen the forecasts of the dire consequences if that happened, and can guess that however hapless Corbyn might be, the public would never forgive them for the financial disaster. The news tonight suggests that the government will not get the truncated motion through tomorrow as the DUP will vote against it, and Labour have said they will as well. What you hear from the politicians is that a long transition, with the opportunity to keep extending it is what they would like. In other words the May tactic of can kicking forever. That surely is the worst outcome for the EU. As the future relationship has been taken off the table for the discussions tomorrow, it comes down to the withdrawal agreement, and if they cannot get that through, what next?
One option not being voted on was to remain. Likely that it would have received a majority in favour because many MP's do not want to honour the democratic will of the people and enable the UK to leave the EU. I find this truly appalling, and a really sad day for British Democracy.
They did vote however on leaving without a deal, and it failed badly. The trouble was that although people voted to leave they were not asked on what terms. If all the ramifications had been explained fully, the country would not have got round to having the vote yet.
Many MPs are well out of touch with their constituents. Of the 381 voting areas in GB, Gibraltar and the 18 NI constituencies, a total of 270 returned majority votes in favour of leave, only 129 preferred remain. Those unable to accept the result are now desperate as every other scam has failed so far.
You should stay off the diesel fumes. The financial ramifications were forced out of the government. They tried every twist and turn to suppress them.
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