With the greatest respect Scowey I believe you have missed the point I was making
if we stay in eu and have to abide to their rules then we have absolutely no control over how many eu immigrants arrive here, while I have no personal vendetta against any immigrants, surely you have to agree that having no control over the numbers allowed in is absolutely madness, at its peak there were reported of in excess of 4 million immigrants here, while people may see that this is no problem what we haven't done is address the infrastructure problem e.g. schools, housing,NHS.jobs. This has put enormous pressure on local authorities who have to put up with this with no extra funding, which in turn makes local people who are facing increasing difficulty in finding houses, jobs, and even doctors lean towards racist feelings.
as for eu workers doing 'jobs that the English wont do' this is exactly the kind of slave labour thinking that drives wages down and cause huge resentment, and as for the NHS, no-one is disputing that the NHS is heavily reliant on foreign workers and no-one has ever said that all foreigners should be sent home, what we are saying is that we MUST have control of the numbers
Good debate lads by the way
The irony is that even the name England is derived from the Angles - immigrants who settled in Britain from modern day Germany.
Demographic changes have been occurring since the dawn of time and they will continue to. The population of Britain and the population of the World is inevitably going to increase. It did so rapidly during the 20th century as a result of improved living conditions and healthcare advances and continues to. These forces of nature are not going to be halted by leaving the EU.
On jobs, automation is putting far more people out of work than immigration. Not that immigrants put people out of work. There is not some fixed number of jobs that there are for people to do. As the population increases so do the number of jobs.
Mechanisation changed the nature of work. Then did computing. And now automation is. People need to be adaptable. The huge irony in all this is that Brexit is costing thousands of people their jobs, no more starkly than in the car industry.
But it is not about numbers, it’s some misguided notion that it is OUR territory (whoever WE are) and we don’t want people who are not like us to come and spoil it and cause problems.
Instead we need to focus on solutions and that requires co-operation and working with people from other nations.
The only thing Brexit is going to achieve is Britain being left behind on infrastructure, technology, medicine and other fields that would help us solve the problems of the rest of the 21st century. It is not going to affect Britain beyond that because the younger generations are not so shortsighted as can be seen in their voting habits and activism.
By pooling resources with the EU we achieved more, faster. Our businesses benefited from Research, Development, Innovation and Training funding from the EU, whilst our own Tory government has systematically dismantled domestic funding for start ups and innovation. Our universities and innovators have been working on a whole range of projects that will still go on, just without our best minds many of whom will relocate.
Brexit is simply Britain cutting off its nose to spite its face.
