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Diane Abbott: Finsbury Park Mosque was a terror attack, Manchester & London were incidents. Jeremy Corbyn: New Zealand was a terror attack, Manchester was an incident.
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BrexitTory@_BrexitTory Mar 17
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Diane Abbott: Finsbury Park Mosque was a terror attack, Manchester & London were incidents. Jeremy Corbyn: New Zealand was a terror attack, Manchester was an incident.
Never mind all that Strolls. What did Erskine May tell you this evening? Is he right? Instinctively I'd say Bercow probably was because it would be an abuse of Parliamentary process simply to keep going back with the same terms already rejected twice. And to answer Stan's question, I suspect he needed some thinking time and an opinion from a QC versed in Parliamentary law before biting the bullet to do what he did.
I honestly haven't a clue what will happen now but looks likely to me that they will be trying to work out what reason they are going to give the EU for wanting an extension - mind you they have been so criminally inept they won't probably have thought how long they'd ask for. Junker may be asked for a rain check of a few days before they work the answer out for that one.
do labour get all their mps in pubs
how drunk do they have to be to agree
its like the old kings shilling
explains dianne abacus though
how drunk do they have to be to agree
its like the old kings shilling
explains dianne abacus though
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I'm not too sure about that, I read the Referendum vote was indicative only and could be revisited.
Well I'd say that my reading of Erskine May last week has been proved correct, wouldn't you? Of course Bercow is right on this one, and he's also being consistent in standing up for back-benchers against government bullying - the No-Dealer loonies are every bit as happy about this ruling as are Remainers. In the national interest, May should admit that her deal is dead and come up with a compromise that would gain cross-party support. She won't of course.
60 / 40 remain, absolute bollox our europhile clown really has no idea of the resentment against the establishment and the EU over the handling of Brexit on both sides, and if he actually believes in his own made up statistics (and his hatred of the U.K. and his love of the corrupt EU ) then somebody who actually knows the fool needs to tell him to seek some psychiatric help.
Can’t understand how the nation has forgotten that
It quickly got turned into a lot of different things
Where do people keep getting the idea that the referendum was only “advisory” was only “indicative” was “not legally binding”.
These are remoaner lies, clutching at straws.
The referendum cannot be revisited, it has been passed into both U.K. law and EU law.
What is only advisory and NOT LEGALLY binding is the amendment voted on to stop a no deal exit.
The default position if no deal is reached is that the U.K. leaves the EU on the 29th March at 11pm and again this was passed into U.K. law and EU law when parliament voted to invoke article 50 and has since been ratified by parliament.
People need to accept that wether they like it or not and sooner or later WE WILL LEAVE THE EU.
Yes that too! But I was talking about the New Referendum amendment indicative vote on parliament last week that was voted down after Labour didn't want to support it then.
Depends on whether the House of Commons which, as is always pointed out has a majority of Remainers, is as inept over the next few days as May and the Conservatives have been over the last 2.5 years. We're way beyond No deal by 29th March. It's now no extension by 29th March and that has all but a hard core of die hards rushing to sign up to a deal they've condemned and rejected overwhelmingly. Twice. Panic? It's more like a stampede which those brave patriotic foot soldiers trampling over women and children to get on the last life boat.
By the way, I agree with you, we will leave sooner or later and take the consequences whatever they may be because the majority in Parliament and the country as a whole do accept the Referendum result although there is a lot more to be said about the terms on which we leave.
Two months ago Bercow said “if we were guided by precedent manifestly nothing would change” before ignoring precedent (fine by me) to allow MPs the chance to seize control of the Brexit process, which they then bottled, leaving it up to an inept and venal government. Now that useless government has had its slim chance of doing something removed, because Bercow ‘manifestly’ insists on being guided by precedent. So now we have a government that is frozen by its own incompetence and inconsistently applied constitutional protocol, coupled with a Parliament that is prepared to say no to everything without being butch enough to take responsibility for anything.
What ****ing book on parliamentary procedure should I refer to to help me understand this? Why should I doubt my presumption that Bercow is an attention seeking twat?
Now we have hard core nutter no dealers and bleating remainers celebrating that the misery for the rest of us, who are almost beyond caring and just want it all to be over, will be extended possibly indefinitely. Thanks for nothing.
I Agree, never mind Theresa the appeaser’s part in this, nor comrade Corbynski’s dithering, a big fat finger must be and probably will be pointed at Remainer Bercow for his obviously biased incompetent handling of the whole affair from start to finish, I will say with all probability that I doubt if like most retired speakers of the House of Commons we will see EU Bercow anywhere near a title or the House of Lords, I would like to think that in the future when he shouts “ORDER !! ORDER !! somebody will say
“Big Mac meal please, hold the gherkins “
Your and everyone else's deep disatisfaction with this whole debacle should in theory provide the strong base for game changing this archaic political landscape.
The effectively four years of never ending excrement that the good people of the UK has had to put up with must not be forgotten at the next General Election.
The most vulnerable of the population will suffer significantly, and are already, as always. This was not due to the vote but moreso the whole incompetence of how it has been handled.
I look forward to a parliamentary situation with numerous parties having a real say - where the electorate knows beforehand the parties that are en bloc, where even the "losing parties" are involved in long term strategies and decisions.
I look forward to a UK that can accept the Prime Minister being a member of the party that finished 3rd - which is currently what we have here in Denmark.
No one, I repeat no one, could ever have factored in the level of incompetence in the UK political system and members of parliament.
Please, please, remember these thoughts and ensure real change does happen. The magnificent UK must never be in the position again of being held to ransom by lunatic religious fringes like the DUP or mad bastards like Momentum.
1st April is nearly here - prepare for the hurricane coming over from DK, this will be the first alcohol of the year.
12 KGs off, I feel great and pissed off at the same time - The belt awaits.
Stay strong all of you.
‘In theory’ being the key words. In practice I fear we are too deeply divided and too entrenched in old fashioned binary politics to move beyond two parties which see opposing each other as their main function. The names of the parties might change. The electoral system means that a party can get huge numbers of votes and no seats, a boon for the incumbents.
Bollocks.
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ISIS call for extremists to take 'revenge' for New Zealand mosque shootings
- ISIS spokesman issued the chilling appeal in a 44-minute audio recording
- Abu Hassan al-Muhajir said attack should incite fanatics to 'avenge their religion'
- Dozens of worshippers died when 'white supremacist' went on a gun rampage through two mosques in the city of Christchurch on Friday
Published: 19:43 AEDT, 19 March 2019 | Updated: 20:14 AEDT, 19 March 2019
ISIS leaders have called for extremists to take 'revenge' in the wake of the New Zealand mosque shootings.
The terror group's spokesman, Abu Hassan al-Muhajir, is said to have issued the appeal in a 44-minute audio recording.
Dozens of worshippers were murdered when a terrorist went on a gun rampage through two mosques in the city of Christchurch on Friday. Australian Brenton Tarrant, 28, a suspected white supremacist, was charged with murder on Saturday.
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- New York Times, Al-Muhajir broke six months of silence to call for revenge.
'The scenes of the massacres in the two mosques should wake up those who were fooled, and should incite the supporters of the caliphate to avenge their religion,' he said.
He compared the Christchurch slaughter to the battle raging over the terror group's last remaining slither of territory in Syria - the village of Baghouz.
'Here is Baghuz in Syria, where Muslims are burned to death and are bombed by all known and unknown weapons of mass destruction,' he added.
The true identity of al-Muhajir, an invented name, is not known and it is understood that he has not appeared in any photographs or in ISIS propaganda videos.
The attacks in Christchurch left 50 dead and 50 more injured with nine of the wounded victims described as being in a critical condition.
So May is to ask the EU for a delay to the end of June, with an option to make it two years should her deal not get through. Barnier now suggesting that May will have to propose 'something new' to justify the longer extension and that the political declaration could be made 'more ambitious' in the next dew days.
Just ask for a permanent Customs Union and we can all move on.
Just ask for a permanent Customs Union and we can all move on.
What I don't get yet and I'm sure if we asked a spokesman to clarify s/he would be unable to tell me is what the question is? I suspect the conversation would go along these lines.
Q from Barnier "How long do you need to achieve consensus at your end and put forward a proposal enough of you can agree with so that we can accept and you can leave triggering the transitional period?"
A from Teresa "Three months. Easy"
Q from Barnier "Don't be so stupid. Stop messing about. How long do you really need?"
A from Teresa. " How the **** do I know. If I say 2 years you decide how long we can have."
If I am wrong about that then we really are in the position where she is asking for 3 months and failing that 2 years. For someone who wanted to keep the No Deal option available for leverage because " John, you don't go into a negotiation giving away your strongest card" hasn't she already done that by telling us through official circles what her fall back position is?
We've been talking about the undesirable possibility of having to participate in EU elections in May. The real concern for me is that our fragrant leader won't be able to tie it up before the next general election. That is nobody else's fault. My solution is to lock her in a room with Corbyn and not let either of them out until they have both given their MPs a completely free hand to agree the terms of withdrawal. If they starve before then, does anyone really care? As Danish says it's the system that is broken.