Off Topic How Are You Celebrating Brexit Day ?

[ForestHillBilly]

Blissful ignorance or a different interpretation of the facts? Should people who believe in God be treated as idiots? Should people who believe in 'String Theory' be treated as loonies? Should people who believe that the Belgian is a good owner be treated like children? …. No, everybody has a right to their own beliefs

Absolutely. Including the belief that the world is flat.

 

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Absolutely. Including the belief that the world is flat.

and the moon is made of cheese

 

[ForestHillBilly]

and the moon is made of cheese

I know. I saw it on Wallace and Gromit.

 

[lardiman]

The latest news on global warming should dwarf the b****t debate, but the human race prefers to stick two fingers up to the laws of physics.

The main difference between Global warming and Brexit is that the rich and powerful can insulate themselves from the effects of Global warming because it is a slow process. Brexit happens in 15 days.
A lot of influential people who have done very nicely thankyou out of the EU stand to lose some of their influence and privilege.
It was never their intention to offer the people a referendum at all.
We only go a vote because David Cameron was all image and no substance - no spine either.

The rich and powerful don't give up what they have. It was mostly the poor and forgotten people of this country who voted Leave.

 

[lardiman]

According to polls, the will of the people is now to remain in the EU - or are you telling me people aren’t allowed to change their mind - surely that is the antithesis of democracy.

Of course people can change their minds, when they experience the consequences of their earlier decisions.

When we have a General Election, we usually get a Government based on the results within about a week.
After several years, the people can then deliver their verdict on how things have been changed by that government.

We voted to leave the EU thirty three months ago.
And the result has not been honoured.

 

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Global warming is only an issue if you are an eskimo or a penguin.

 

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According to polls, the will of the people is now to remain in the EU - or are you telling me people aren’t allowed to change their mind - surely that is the antithesis of democracy.

Yes, opinion polls were saying we were going to vote to stay in the EU right up to three days before the Referendum …. then we voted (resoundingly) to leave

Various Governments flatly refused to ask the people to vote on the EU, then when Cameron was forced to honour his election pledge we voted to leave... yet Parliament refuses to carry out this instruction.. what has happened to democracy in this Country?

 

[Ken Shabby]

Lardi, Teresa May has tried very hard to honour her own vision of what Brexit should occur. The problem is there are variuos versions. Whle Roysto happily quotes 80% of parliament being against Brexit the truth is Brexit has so far been scuppered by the ERG and the DUP because they want a harder version. Had they gone for Teresa's version,l it would have been voted in by now. A fair scattering of those guys are doing exactly what you accuse Remain autocrats of - making money shorting Sterling as they know if their no-deal goes through, the tidal wave of economic disaster will sink sterling and make them a packet.
Meanwhile, they would rather have no-deal than no Brexit - despite this having no bearing on the pup they sold to the electorate regarding an easy deal and everyone lining up to make deals with the UK. In the meanwhile, we have a whole bunch of new voters who want a say regarding what Brexit will do to their future demanding to be heard, but a new referendum would be undemocratic.

 

[ForestHillBilly]

Global warming is only an issue if you are an eskimo or a penguin.

Or under the age of 40/50.

 

[ForestHillBilly]

the rich and powerful can insulate themselves from the effects of Global warming

Only in the early stages.

 

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In the meanwhile, we have a whole bunch of new voters who want a say regarding what Brexit will do to their future demanding to be heard, but a new referendum would be undemocratic.

Ken,
It took over 40 years to have a referendum on membership of the EU but now just two and a half years after voting to leave .. and before we have actually left!... we need another vote? Why don't we have another vote 40 years after 2016 ? .. 2056 … That's fair isn't it?

 

[Ken Shabby]

So democratic that as a UK passport holder, I wasn't allowed to vote.

However, it wil affect me, and a lot of other ex patriots who were denied a voice.

 

[DonCorleone]

Ken,
It took over 40 years to have a referendum on membership of the EU but now just two and a half years after voting to leave .. and before we have actually left!... we need another vote? Why don't we have another vote 40 years after 2016 ? .. 2056 … That's fair isn't it?

Because any reasonable person can see the negative effects on the economy, and as you say we haven’t left yet, so the worst is yet to come.

 

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Because any reasonable person can see the negative effects on the economy, and as you say we haven’t left yet, so the worst is yet to come.

like the 800,000 job losses if we just vote to leave or the emergency budget required soon after a leave vote?

Yes the economy will drop a little for 12 months or so but my opinion is that after 2 years the UK will be better off outside the EU.

 

[DonCorleone]

like the 800,000 job losses if we just vote to leave or the emergency budget required soon after a leave vote?

Yes the economy will drop a little for 12 months or so but my opinion is that after 2 years the UK will be better off outside the EU.

“Easiest trade deal in history”
“We hold all the cards”

Both sides lied and exaggerated - leave on a far bigger scale, and more successfully.

I’d prefer to listen to the opinion of economic experts, who pretty much unanimously agreee brexit will be a ****show. Even one of the most prominent Brexiteers (JRM) has suggested it may take 50 years to see any benefits - nobody on this board will be alive.

 

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“Easiest trade deal in history”
“We hold all the cards”

Both sides lied and exaggerated - leave on a far bigger scale, and more successfully.

I’d prefer to listen to the opinion of economic experts, who pretty much unanimously agreee brexit will be a ****show. Even one of the most prominent Brexiteers (JRM) has suggested it may take 50 years to see any benefits - nobody on this board will be alive.

Careful Donald, quoting from the Guardian and then misinterpreting his comments … this is what JRM said ..

“We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time,” he said. “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.”

By the mid-2020s, we should see “a post-Brexit dividend of £135bn just between 2020 and 2025, with a further £40bn a year from then on”, according to Rees-Mogg, who was quoting figures from the pro-Brexit group Economists for Free Trade

He said that the biggest benefit will be over the next 50 years NOT in 50 years

 

[lardiman]

Economists are interested in the economy, not democracy.

The global banks and financial institutions would be happy to see no more elections anywhere, just one party states like China. Elections and referendums cause economic instability. The economy would be better off without them.
As far as economists are concerned working people are nothing but cogs in a profit machine.

 

[ForestHillBilly]

The two options which have most public support now are no-deal and second referendum. More moderate options like the Norway option and the withdrawal agreement, which represent the 52/48 split, have little support, which shows how polarized the country is. Leavers don't admit the economic damage, and remainers won't admit that there are fault lines in the EU. All very tribal.

 

[DonCorleone]

Careful Donald, quoting from the Guardian and then misinterpreting his comments … this is what JRM said ..

“We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time,” he said. “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.”

By the mid-2020s, we should see “a post-Brexit dividend of £135bn just between 2020 and 2025, with a further £40bn a year from then on”, according to Rees-Mogg, who was quoting figures from the pro-Brexit group Economists for Free Trade

He said that the biggest benefit will be over the next 50 years NOT in 50 years

Fair enough, I don’t pay too much attention to twats like him.

Why do you believe we will benefit from brexit, when all respected economists predict the opposite.

 

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Fair enough, I don’t pay too much attention to twats like him.

Why do you believe we will benefit from brexit, when all respected economists predict the opposite.

I am highly respected in my field just like @Royston Vasey is, the EU area is inundated with bureaucracy and red tape in an economic zone that is dying, we need to get out into the real world and target the growth economies, several of which are Commonwealth Countries in which we should have a real advantage.