leave her there

[Tobes]

This ^^^

What next, all Brits of Pakistani heritage sent 'home' because they represent a threat to India who we might need to clamour to try and strike a trade deal with ?

The Home Office have been busy last year removing citizenship and trying to deport people with suspected dual nationality who have served prison sentence in excess of 12 months - irrespective of the actual crime.

I’ve had a look, but I can’t find any examples of this new rule being applied to those of say....Irish descent.

 

[PINKIE]

The Home Office have been busy last year removing citizenship and trying to deport people with suspected dual nationality who have served prison sentence in excess of 12 months - irrespective of the actual crime.

I’ve had a look, but I can’t find any examples of this new rule being applied to those of say....Irish descent.

Might as well annex Hull and Mitcham whilst they're at it

 

[DMD]

So why is he taking the law into his own hands when the courts have set the legal precedent ?

You'd best ask brb, he seems to think that there hasn't been a precedent.

 

[brb]

The Home Office have been busy last year removing citizenship and trying to deport people with suspected dual nationality who have served prison sentence in excess of 12 months - irrespective of the actual crime.

I’ve had a look, but I can’t find any examples of this new rule being applied to those of say....Irish descent.

Any Canadian's in the lot that were deported last year....asking for a friend

 

[brb]

You'd best ask brb, he seems to think that there hasn't been a precedent.

The legal precedent is what Javid is doing is illegal, he lost the last similar case involving Bangladesh.

 

[DMD]

The legal precedent is what Javid is doing is illegal, he lost the last similar case involving Bangladesh.

That's not what your earlier post said.

 

[brb]

That's not what your earlier post said.

I said Javid is trying to set a precedent, that is different to what the courts are ruling against him. Even though he has previously lost cases he still tries to set a precedent down this path.

Personally i have concerns with Sajid Javid, he may well descend from Pakistani parents but that does not eradicate any thought that he himself does not hold prejudices.

Let's not forget this was the same guy that tweeted 'these sick Asian *****philes' - Yet if some one like Tommy Robinson made such a tweet there would be the usual anti right wing rhetoric. But Javid felt it is only right that he identifies ethnicity.

Was he doing the same in the Begum case, identifying she was Bangladeshi (in his eyes) and straight away that triggered his thought process based on ethnicity again.

Anyway enough of my narrative, read this article, he has just become a puppet for the Tories and his own ethnicity is allowing such prejudices to become precedent, because he can wand his story about being of Pakistani decent...

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...er-immigration-poverty-british-pakistani-tory

 

[brb]

I said Javid is trying to set a precedent, that is different to what the courts are ruling against him. Even though he has previously lost cases he still tries to set a precedent down this path.

Personally i have concerns with Sajid Javid, he may well descend from Pakistani parents but that does not eradicate any thought that he himself does not hold prejudices.

Let's not forget this was the same guy that tweeted 'these sick Asian *****philes' - Yet if some one like Tommy Robinson made such a tweet there would be the usual anti right wing rhetoric. But Javid felt it is only right that he identifies ethnicity.

Was he doing the same in the Begum case, identifying she was Bangladeshi (in his eyes) and straight away that triggered his thought process based on ethnicity again.

Anyway enough of my narrative, read this article, he has just become a puppet for the Tories and his own ethnicity is allowing such prejudices to become precedent, because he can wand his story about being of Pakistani decent...

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...er-immigration-poverty-british-pakistani-tory

Quote;

Which brings us back to Javid, who comes not only with an ethnicity but a record. He has consistently voted for tougher immigration and asylum laws, including the “hostile environment” policy, and for slashing benefits to the poor. There is no evidence that he has ever leveraged his experiences as the child of working-class migrants to do anything positive for migrants, their children or the working class (British-Pakistanis have among the highest rates of unemployment and poverty). He recognises that those threatened with deportation could have been his parents; he fails to acknowledge that he voted for the very policies that would have facilitated their removal and, unless he changes the policy, could be their deporter.

 

[Commachio]

**** that, to many long posts to read, you boring ****ers.

I'd start to read the Tel/Tobes debate, but then Piskie and Brb spoilt my reading, with git long winded posts..So that was the end of that.

 

[JakartaToon]

Think Tel and DMD are spot on with this. The Home Secretary is entitled to make the decision he has and the lawyers are now able to test that decision in court.

It's the way it works with immigration as well where British Citizens are involved. The Home Office make the decision. If you feel the grounds for refusal are wrong you can appeal to a UK Court, who will then uphold or overturn the decision.

I suspect he decided that even if he wasn't sure about her right to Bangladeshi Citizenship then the optics of making the decision he has and it being overturned were better for him than coming out and saying we won't strip her Citizenship. She languishes in a Syrian refugee camp for a few more months - who is going to moan about that.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

So why is he taking the law into his own hands when the courts have set the legal precedent ?

Because he has to show he’s ‘one of us’ for his own career ambitions. Surprised he hasn’t changed his name to Sam Javis and started wearing Lonsdale tracksuits yet.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Think Tel and DMD are spot on with this. The Home Secretary is entitled to make the decision he has and the lawyers are now able to test that decision in court.

It's the way it works with immigration as well where British Citizens are involved. The Home Office make the decision. If you feel the grounds for refusal are wrong you can appeal to a UK Court, who will then uphold or overturn the decision.

I suspect he decided that even if he wasn't sure about her right to Bangladeshi Citizenship then the optics of making the decision he has and it being overturned were better for him than coming out and saying we won't strip her Citizenship. She languishes in a Syrian refugee camp for a few more months - who is going to moan about that.

Oh you’re gonna upset a few folk there mate, quick, get in my bunker.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Because he has to show he’s ‘one of us’ for his own career ambitions. Surprised he hasn’t changed his name to Sam Javis and started wearing Lonsdale tracksuits yet.

Yet he’s also taking up a pivotal role to the decision to legalise medical cannabis in the UK. Oh what a nasty baldy bastard.

 

[Blueman]

Oh you’re gonna upset a few folk there mate, quick, get in my bunker.

Yep popcorn time I reckon.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Yet he’s also taking up a pivotal role to the decision to legalise medical cannabis in the UK. Oh what a nasty baldy bastard.

That’s a no brainer. The oldiewonks will love it in time.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

That’s a no brainer. The oldiewonks will love it in time.

So let’s get this straight, if he doesn’t make the changes he’s a complete ****, but if he does make the changes then he’s a self serving complete ****?

Got ya.

 

[brb]

Has Jack Lett's been shipped to Canada yet?....

Nope because Jack is not quote 'Asian' and it's in Sajid's own written words that he thinks it's perfectly correct to use ethnicity when describing cases. Tommy has not been seen for a while, I wonder if he's morphed into SJ!

 

[DUNCAN DONUTS]

Not sure where BRB is going with this, does he think out of the four hundred plus Isis Jihadist types that already sneaked back in only the brown ones are discriminated against ?

Out of the 400 plus brainwashed lunatics there are probably less than a handful of white British idiots and hundreds of brown Asians and Africans.
Begum is being discriminated against because she is a stupid dangerous woman that would cost the tax payer millions being put on watch lists and clearly hasn't changed her mind about the murderous death cult that she was so excited to be a part of.

Most British people regardless of their ethnicity don't want these violent rag head ****s back, they are our enemy .
The Government should be able to refuse admission to anyone if they are a clear threat to out security.

 

[brb]

Not sure where BRB is going with this, does he think out of the four hundred plus Isis Jihadist types that already sneaked back in only the brown ones are discriminated against ?

Out of the 400 plus brainwashed lunatics there are probably less than a handful of white British idiots and hundreds of brown Asians and Africans.
Begum is being discriminated against because she is a stupid dangerous woman that would cost the tax payer millions being put on watch lists and clearly hasn't changed her mind about the murderous death cult that she was so excited to be a part of.

Most British people regardless of their ethnicity don't want these violent rag head ****s back, they are our enemy .
The Government should be able to refuse admission to anyone if they are a clear threat to out security.

It's in your own words mate...

'discriminated against'

And that's been my point all along.

You then go on to say regardless of 'ethnicity' but Sajid Javid is on record in his own words of focusing exactly on that, as i believe he did in the Begum case.

You do drugs, buy illegal cigs etc, if you get caught, should they check your bloodline to see if we can palm you off to another country. After all the girl has not been convicted of any crime yet either - so where is the proven threat to security, any more than buying purchases off bootleggers, where the funds could be supporting criminal causes.

Not having a go, just playing the words around circumstances.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

So let’s get this straight, if he doesn’t make the changes he’s a complete ****, but if he does make the changes then he’s a self serving complete ****?

Got ya.

No he’ll do whatever flavour of the month is with the people. There were those sad cases of the kids who needed cannabis oil or similar which helped soften the attitudes towards them. Fortunately softening our stance as a nation towards cannabis is an undoubtedly good cause to get behind.

He’s seen a chance with Begum to win some ground and dived in with both feet. I don’t blame him for doing so but it’s a bit obvious IMO.