leave her there

[brb]

That's nonsense, nobody wanted her to get away with this people just wanted the letter of the law applied, now if there is a legal way for her to removed as a UK citizen then fine. Branding people terrorist sympathisers because they don't want to become some kind of watered down version of ISIS is a low blow.

Absolutely. We want the law applied correctly and in a consistent and fair manner. Dumping the girl on Bangladesh appears unjust to me and we need more clarification from the British Government how this can be so. Bangladesh is a poor country and i feel maybe we are applying our financial arm in this as though to say to Bangladesh, you will accept her or else. Bit of a narrative there but hopefully people get my point.

 

[Blueman]

This is an interesting point, how can we deport foreign criminals if other countries start disowning them?

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Same applies the other way of course.

You know that's not real right?

Obviously.

 

[Tobes]

This is going to cause the biggest shhite storm ever, I think even the British Media are starting to run scared of it, knowing Sajid Javid has fooked up big time, not forgetting he was born to parents of Pakistani descent - he better hope he never commits a crime

Or is ever merely accused of one by the Daily Mail......as that is what this amounts to.

If a U.K. citizen of dual nationality is accused and then found guilty of a crime, and then serves a sentence, they can (and there’s been several high profile cases recently) have their citizenship revoked after they’ve served their sentence and be deported.

To revoke citizenship of someone who’s not faced either a charge or justice or even been interviewed by the authorities at a port of entry, is a dangerous precedent. It smacks of populism given the profile of this case, and of Javid trying yet again to prove how tough he is on dem forrins (who are British) as he seeks to position himself as a future PM candidate to the readerships of the Tory rags.

 

[BobbyD]

Absolutely. We want the law applied correctly and in a consistent and fair manner. Dumping the girl on Bangladesh appears unjust to me and we need more clarification from the British Government how this can be so. Bangladesh is a poor country and i feel maybe we are applying our financial arm in this as though to say to Bangladesh, you will accept her or else. Bit of a narrative there but hopefully people get my point.

Yup. That is why the uk has foreign aid so it has these soft powers to use

 

[BobbyD]

Or is ever merely accused of one by the Daily Mail......as that is what this amounts to.

If a U.K. citizen of dual nationality is accused and then found guilty of a crime, and then serves a sentence, they can (and there’s been several high profile cases recently) have their citizenship revoked after they’ve served their sentence and be deported.

To revoke citizenship of someone who’s not faced either a charge or justice or even been interviewed by the authorities at a port of entry, is a dangerous precedent. It smacks of populism given the profile of this case, and of Javid trying yet again to prove how tough he is on dem forrins (who are British) as he seeks to position himself as a future PM candidate to the readerships of the Tory rags.

Are you basically doubting that she has joined IS mate? Think thats in black and white....

 

[Tobes]

Are you basically doubting that she has joined IS mate? Think thats in black and white....

She went to the supposed caliphate and married a Jihadist underage. I doubt she filled in application forms or picked up a rifle mate. Javid has taken the role of judge and jury mate, not right irrespective of the emotive nature of this case, that’s the point.

 

[luvgonzo]

Are you basically doubting that she has joined IS mate? Think thats in black and white....

She has admitted it, I think what Tobes is saying is that regardless of what she says we should go through the legal process and if the outcome is send her to Bangladesh then fine but go through the process.

 

[JakartaToon]

Yeah I get that.

But this also says join isis and then escape punishment

Having her British Citizenship revoked is a huge punishment. Also I don’t get why you think she will be allowed to live freely in Bangladesh. From my experience most Muslim countries are **** scared of the Islamic fundamentalists as they destabilise the existing government. I suspect she either won’t be allowed in or will be locked up if she is. Sounds like she doesn’t have citizenship there although she may have a right to it so suspect she wont be getting there anytime soon.

 

[brb]

Yup. That is why the uk has foreign aid so it has these soft powers to use

Let me pretend for one moment she has dual nationality, as in applied for or holding. Forget the bloodline for now. What gives us the right to dump the girl on Bangladesh. Nowt to do with the retail or financial clout of ours over said country, no sireeee. What if Bangladesh, say fook you we don't want her, who then made her stateless, does it come down to who made claim first

This is absolute bolloxs.

 

[petersaxton]

Let me pretend for one moment she has dual nationality, as in applied for or holding. Forget the bloodline for now. What gives us the right to dump the girl on Bangladesh. Nowt to do with the retail or financial clout of ours over said country, no sireeee. What if Bangladesh, say fook you we don't want her, who then made her stateless, does it come down to who made claim first

This is absolute bolloxs.

she can take Bangladesh to court then

 

[brb]

she can take Bangladesh to court then

I think you might find the Briitsh Government will end up in court first and will lose, if her parents lawyers have the balls to go through with this.

 

[petersaxton]

I think you might find the Briitsh Government will end up in court first and will lose, if her parents lawyers have the balls to go through with this.

I dont see how they will lose given it is in line with the legislation

 

[brb]

I dont see how they will lose given it is in line with the legislation

What gives us precedent over Bangladesh?

 

[Spurlock]

Well well well, I'm watching the press preview on sky news and they are discussing the whole "you are no longer British" headlines

The political consultant Nina schlick (wid by the way) has said that as it stands becoming an isis bride is not currently prosecutable under British law.

So she is technically "innocent" as it stands, as in no laws broken. No argument against that from the newspaper bloke whose stand is same as those on here saying they are happy if she simply isn't allowed back, or the news reader dude


Only going by what's being discussed here on sky news. not sure if any legal eagles can clarify??

Defo Wid

 

[Tobes]

I think you might find the Briitsh Government will end up in court first and will lose, if her parents lawyers have the balls to go through with this.

The Tories ‘hostile environment’ created by May at the Home Office, have already lost a number of cases where they’ve revoked citizenship on the basis of dual nationality.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...llegal-blocked-court-bangladesh-a8645241.html

 

[Stan]

What gives us precedent over Bangladesh?

 

[brb]

The government are saying under Bangladeshi law it comes under the bloodline. The government have found a loophole, i think with decent lawyers she has a good chance of overturning this.

Points of law would be, do we apply citizenship via bloodline or place of birth, if dual citizenship has not been applied for and what is the over-riding factor where two countries have two different points of law.
Also to remove her citizenship, what crime other than joining a terrorist organisation has she committed.
If Bangladesh also lay claim to criminal convictions then surely both countries are jointly making her stateless.

 

[petersaxton]

What gives us precedent over Bangladesh?

I dont think countries have precedence
the British situation will be relevant in the British courts
and the Bangladesh situation will be relevant in the Bangladesh courts

 

[Stan]

Defo Wid

She’s pretty. It all goes wrong from the neck down.

 

[PowerSpurs]

I dont see how they will lose given it is in line with the legislation

So if she had been born in Bangladesh to a British mother and had gone from their to Syria, you would think it right if Bangladesh stripped her of citizenship on the grounds that she was entitled to UK citizenship?