Should Leeds Utd be punished over Spy Gate?

[davy]

Lampard lied repeatedly about what happened and stoked the fire. I would much rather have Bielsa with his honesty than a sly lying s**t. Lampard should be hauled up for bringing the game into disrepute with his lies as well as all the other teams who wrote their letters who were looking for us to lose points. Having followed Leeds United for over 50 years I have seen more injustices against us throughout this time and I'm sick to death of the EFL and others including referees, who now don't even try to hide their blatant hatred and disregard for us and treat us differently with one rule for us and one rule for everyone else. Am I bitter? Too damn right I am!

The day and hour Leeds secure promotion, they should send a letter to the EFL citing Lampard under rule 3.5:

3.5

No Club, either by itself, its servants or agents, shall by any means whatsoever unfairly criticise, disparage, belittle or discredit any other Club or The League or in either case any of its directors, officers, employees or agents.

B@stard.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

We should have told the EFL to **** off, we broke no rules
people on here who say we should bend over and accept this because we didn't get a points deduction and can now concentrate on getting promotion should think on, lets see how many penalties are awarded against us, how many of our players get sent off from now until the end of the season, the bent bastards aren't finished with us yet

If vars came in and we had no fake pens against us,and they gave us the pens we should get,we could win the prem next season

 

[OLOF]

The day and hour Leeds secure promotion, they should send a letter to the EFL citing Lampard under rule 3.5:

3.5

No Club, either by itself, its servants or agents, shall by any means whatsoever unfairly criticise, disparage, belittle or discredit any other Club or The League or in either case any of its directors, officers, employees or agents.

B@stard.

They will do nothing, unless of course he gets a job at Elland Road and its another 200 grand fine for us

 

[FollowMe&LeedsUnited]

The day and hour Leeds secure promotion, they should send a letter to the EFL citing Lampard under rule 3.5:

3.5

No Club, either by itself, its servants or agents, shall by any means whatsoever unfairly criticise, disparage, belittle or discredit any other Club or The League or in either case any of its directors, officers, employees or agents.

B@stard.

That is what should happen but I'll give you 3 guesses as to what will happen? Sweet fa!

 

[Leedsoflondon]

To a relative outsider (which I am really) then unless I've missed something (very possible) the aftermath of the initial "incident" was Lampard saying that the spy had nothing to do with his teams loss (and he then seemed to want to hear no more of Spygate and looked visibly bored by questions of it) and Bielsa holding an audience of reporters to go through a powerpoint presentation of what they do. He didn't exactly look to keep his mouth shut and let the situation die down, he poured fuel on the fire.

I totally agree about the pundits, they look to sell opinions and jump on anything they can. What gain has Lampard got out of this though? Not sure how other clubs have gained from this, feels like a bit of paranoia from Leeds fans that one. It's an interesting situation but not a particularly important one - storm in a teacup. The fine kind of represents that.

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you

 

[2 pennth]

To a relative outsider (which I am really) then unless I've missed something (very possible) the aftermath of the initial "incident" was Lampard saying that the spy had nothing to do with his teams loss (and he then seemed to want to hear no more of Spygate and looked visibly bored by questions of it) and Bielsa holding an audience of reporters to go through a powerpoint presentation of what they do. He didn't exactly look to keep his mouth shut and let the situation die down, he poured fuel on the fire.

I totally agree about the pundits, they look to sell opinions and jump on anything they can. What gain has Lampard got out of this though? Not sure how other clubs have gained from this, feels like a bit of paranoia from Leeds fans that one. It's an interesting situation but not a particularly important one - storm in a teacup. The fine kind of represents that.

As I understand it Lampard could not wait to condem Bielsa's actions, then someone had a word with him and told him to cool it which he did after he had got his point across.
With regard to Bielsa and his audience with reporters what he was saying was simple." Look guys and gals this is how I work not aware I was doing anything wrong.
Regards other clubs gaining or not. Most of the clubs who complained the infamous 11 would have stood to gain a lot if a points deduction had been made. Don't you see. I don't see a 200k fine as a storm in a teacup either.

 

[Jammy 07]

A bit controversial I know but...

What Bielsa did was in my opinion unnecessary and I would have rather he'd been whiter than white by not stooping to snooping. He's a very clever guy and as such knew no specific rules were being broken, which is why as soon as the story broke he admitted to doing it all season so that the problem would be dealt with once and as a whole. Bielsa also would have fully well known that it would be frowned upon should it come to light so why bother ?

 

[haslam]

As I understand it Lampard could not wait to condem Bielsa's actions, then someone had a word with him and told him to cool it which he did after he had got his point across.
With regard to Bielsa and his audience with reporters what he was saying was simple." Look guys and gals this is how I work not aware I was doing anything wrong.
Regards other clubs gaining or not. Most of the clubs who complained the infamous 11 would have stood to gain a lot if a points deduction had been made. Don't you see. I don't see a 200k fine as a storm in a teacup either.

I don't see that they gained anything as I never really thought a points deduction likely but i get that if that had occurred then there was potential.

As for £200k for Leeds. What do you reckon the value of your club is? It's got to be around the £100m mark I'd have thought so we're talking about 0.2% of that. You paid around £8m for Bamford didn't you? It's also more like 0.1% of the value usually attributed to getting into the Premiership. Compared to the amount of airtime and newspaper coverage it has got yeah I'd say it was very much a storm in a teacup.

 

[2 pennth]

I don't see that they gained anything as I never really thought a points deduction likely but i get that if that had occurred then there was potential.

As for £200k for Leeds. What do you reckon the value of your club is? It's got to be around the £100m mark I'd have thought so we're talking about 0.2% of that. You paid around £8m for Bamford didn't you? It's also more like 0.1% of the value usually attributed to getting into the Premiership. Compared to the amount of airtime and newspaper coverage it has got yeah I'd say it was very much a storm in a teacup.

I think you're just trying to wind us up you can't be that thick surely. Your names not Lampard by any chance is it.

 

[haslam]

Haslam, how do you rate Jack Ross?

Hard to say. Fans are split between those who think he should be getting the team to walk the league (rather arrogantly I'd say) given the wage bill and playing staff and on the other hand those who think that turning around a number of years of a losing mentality and turning a club around involves time and effort.

Bit split myself but think it's unrealistic to assume anyone else would have done better. Sunderland are in with a good shout of promotion and ultimately if they go up he's done a great job but if they don't he will be seen to have failed. I'd give him this season AND next regardless. Been many, many draws holding the season back but 2 losses in the league all season and the next lowest is 4! That is a far far cry from previous seasons.

I support Newcastle though btw. I do like Sunderland though and spend more time on their board so understand the confusion. I'm generally a fan of teams closer to where I'm from and as a result kind of like Leeds in the main (my dad is a Leeds fan, he's from there) though - like every set of fans in the country - always have to filter through the levels of entitlement (and i very much include Newcastle fans in that too).

 

[haslam]

I think you're just trying to wind us up you can't be that thick surely. Your names not Lampard by any chance is it.

Thick in regards to what?

That a points deduction was likely or that £200k is some huge amount of money to Leeds?

 

[milkyboy]

That 200 k was our January transfer budget. Lucky we didn’t spend it.

 

[2 pennth]

Thick in regards to what?

That a points deduction was likely or that £200k is some huge amount of money to Leeds?

Make no mistake if the EFL thought they could have got away with a points deduction that is what we would have got. A 200k fine for doing something that is not illegal is hell of a lot of money I don't care wether you have one pound or are a billionaire. If you don't understand this well, I rest my case.

 

[milkyboy]

A bit controversial I know but...

What Bielsa did was in my opinion was unnecessary and I would have rather he'd been whiter than white by not stooping to snooping. He's a very clever guy and as such knew no specific rules were being broken, which is why as soon as the story broke he admitted to doing it all season so that the problem would be dealt with once and as a whole. Bielsa also would have fully well known that it would be frowned upon should it come to light so why bother ?

Not controversial to me jamster. He shouldn’t have done it, it’s unnecessary and a bit seedy. He is a very clever guy with an interesting spread of moral values, he’s also, lets face it,a bit downright weird... but he’s our weirdo genius and he’s transformed the team so we’re going to defend him.

Was it worth a fine? No, because no rules were broken, does the fine bother me, not in the slightest... just one thing sticks in the throat about the whole escapade. The sheer fcuking hypocrisy of the all these defenders of morality. Fat boy frankie takes instructions from Jose Mourinho whose smuggled into the dressing room in a European tie in a laundry basket to avoid a stadium ban... claims he doesnt know that AVB was spying for Chelsea. Some of the other pondlife coming out with their xenophobic, we don’t do things like this over here moral high ground... no we just take bungs, instruct players to dive for penalties etc etc.

 

[FollowMe&LeedsUnited]

We should have told the EFL to **** off, we broke no rules
people on here who say we should bend over and accept this because we didn't get a points deduction and can now concentrate on getting promotion should think on, lets see how many penalties are awarded against us, how many of our players get sent off from now until the end of the season, the bent bastards aren't finished with us yet

To be honest I wish for once we had fought back. I can understand the club not wanting it hanging over us but I'm sick to death of us always being made an example of even when we did nothing wrong again!

 

[haslam]

Make no mistake if the EFL thought they could have got away with a points deduction that is what we would have got. A 200k fine for doing something that is not illegal is hell of a lot of money I don't care wether you have one pound or are a billionaire. If you don't understand this well, I rest my case.

Firstly, I've not had a single personal attack on you so lets leave out the "you're thick" and "If you don't understand this" comments as you don't know me at all and it only serves to cheapen your argument.

Secondly, and more importantly, the EFL would have had to justify any measures in the strongest terms as for every club that was heckling for you to get punishment there'll have been the same (or more) who are wary of governing bodies over-stretching themselves and acting beyond their powers (ultra vires either procedurally or substantively). A points deduction for this would have been crazy barring other information coming out to make it worse than it appears to be. Leeds and the EFL agreed the £200k, why? My guess (and it is only a guess as none of us were privy to the actual conversations) is that both want the issue put behind themselves, neither side were going to be able to gain anything from this. Leeds probably agreed because to them £200k is worth it as compared to the distractions of it all, the potential investigation by the EFL and the ongoing media circus it isn't an amount of money worth fretting over. Plenty people and organisations pay money out for things where they have possibly done nothing or little wrong but they want to draw a line under it and move on. Is it right? No probably not.

 

[2 pennth]

Firstly, I've not had a single personal attack on you so lets leave out the "you're thick" and "If you don't understand this" comments as you don't know me at all and it only serves to cheapen your argument.

Secondly, and more importantly, the EFL would have had to justify any measures in the strongest terms as for every club that was heckling for you to get punishment there'll have been the same (or more) who are wary of governing bodies over-stretching themselves and acting beyond their powers (ultra vires either procedurally or substantively). A points deduction for this would have been crazy barring other information coming out to make it worse that it appears to be. Leeds and the EFL agreed the £200k, why? My guess (and it is only a guess as none of us were privy to the actual conversations) is that both want the issue put behind themselves, neither side were going to be able to gain anything from this. Leeds probably agreed because to them £200k is worth it as compared to the distractions of it all, the potential investigation by the EFL and the ongoing media circus it isn't an amount of money worth fretting over. Plenty people and organisations pay money out for things where they have possibly done nothing or little wrong but they want to draw a line under it and move on. Is it right? No probably not.

One minute you say it's nothing the next you intimate it's not right make your mind up.Its not a personal attack by the way I don't do that, but some of your comments come across in a way that leeds me to think you are a bit never mind. I normally only do one liners.

 

[haslam]

One minute you say it's nothing the next you intimate it's not right make your mind up.Its not a personal attack by the way I don't do that, but some of your comments come across in a way that leeds me to think you are a bit never mind. I normally only do one liners.

I said it was a storm in a teacup and i think the entire thing is and that the outcome reflects that - £200k isn't going to affect you at all. I'm allowed to also think that the correct course of action in terms of a 'fair outcome' would be for Leeds to have argued it as I agree I don't think they did much wrong really but instead both parties agreed to settle and the figure they settle on is, in my opinion, nothing to write home about. Don't think there's any contradiction there at all.

I'm a pretty dispassionate person on here, and in reality to be honest. 5000 odd comments and I doubt a single one was me having a go at anyone, the tricky thing with the written word is that I'm sure there's times people have thought i was.

 

[Irishshako]

As I understand it Lampard could not wait to condem Bielsa's actions, then someone had a word with him and told him to cool it which he did after he had got his point across.
With regard to Bielsa and his audience with reporters what he was saying was simple." Look guys and gals this is how I work not aware I was doing anything wrong.
Regards other clubs gaining or not. Most of the clubs who complained the infamous 11 would have stood to gain a lot if a points deduction had been made. Don't you see. I don't see a 200k fine as a storm in a teacup either.

It's all well and good to say, well it's over now and lets get on. But it's feels like we've been shafted again have no balls as a club to stand up to these bullies. FFS I'd rather stay in this League and get some kind of justice against these shower of twats.

 

[brisbane-lion]

Nothing whatsoever should happen. Get rid of all these whingers and go back to letting us stand at the fences watching our team train. Used to love watching the great Leeds United side train on Fullerton Park.

Jeez, what a memory you have.