Leeds Utd v Hull Match Thread

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Scoreline:Leeds Utd v Hull City


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Some thoughts about the match.......

First of all, the team didn't play badly, though there were many individual mistakes. I enjoyed it, even when 1 & 2 down.
Secondly, despite what a lot have aid, we weren't tired, physically or mentally. There was much effort & invention right up until the final whistle.
In summary, it was simply a bad day at the office. Crap referee, 3 fine 'keeper saves & 3 clearances off the line. On another day ...

I was intrigued that Harrison started again, so I decided to focus on him during this match. I've never been a fan of his, mainly because the hype before his arrival promised so much, but as never been delivered. (Not his fault, I guess, but he gets blamed for it anyway). So from that standpoint, you might be a bit surprised by what I say here about him. Basically, I think we should keep him. There, I said it! Why, you ask. Well I started having suspicions that his performances were not entirely all his fault, and I now believe that might be the case.

What started me thinking about this was Alioski bursting into a run of form all of a sudden. I attribute this to him being moved to the right, and Ayling's return. Combined. Without boring you with the detail, they simply play really well together. So why did Alioski produce so many sub-par performances? Easy - he played on the left. With Douglas. And they didn't - and still don't - click.

So, to Harrison. He's not really had a decent run, and as a result of this, it's been assumed that that's the reason for his poor form - well, that or simple lack of skill/application. I took this at face value too. Against Dull, I watched him do everything right (apart from 2 habits which I'll cover later). His movement on & off the ball, passing, crossing, vision, tackling - you name it, he did it ok. In fact, quite well. So where's it all going wrong then? Simple. Douglas. Yes, Douglas gets forward. Sometimes. But that's where his support of his winger ends. And it's not personal. He does it with Alioski too! Douglas imo is the root cause of the problem. I don't know if he's working under instruction, or is simply poor at what he does, but he is simply not fitting in. And I'm only speaking about the attacking aspect - it's widely known that his defensive qualities are not up to scratch - and he proves it often. I'm not going to go on about it. There's a perfectly good chance that I'm talking bollox - but do me a favour & keep an eye out. You'll really need to be at a game to assess, as a lot of the communication breakdown comes from off the ball movement, which you don't get to see on the telly. Happy to be ripped to shreds, but confident that you'll struggle.

Oh, his 2 bad habits. First one is the obvious one - his defending. It's not that he doesn't show willing, he's just not too sharp at times at defensive duties, like tracking runners etc. Usually gives them a head start, but he's not got the pace to catch them once they've got away. Either that or the Dull midfield are Olympic-class sprinters. The second habit you prolly wouldn't notice unless you were focussing on him - and it's an important one. When he crosses, it's almost always the same type - he sends in a ball parallel to the 6 yd line, just out of the 'keeper's reach. No hitting the byeline & cutting back, & no early crosses either. Or very few, to be precise. Now this is a fine cross, don't get me wrong, but there's 2 things wrong with it. First is that it's predictable, and will have been noticed by opposition analysts, but the second is not only important, it's also farcical - the Leeds guys waiting for the cross are too far out for it. They're hovering just inside the 18yd box, presumably looking for a high ball to run on to, instead of a knee-level Exocet fizzing along 12yds in front of them. Someone needs to have a word & sort it out.
Im still waiting for harrison to continue his runs he beats two and stops. Then we get back to tippy tappy passing but not enough making runs. Some of our shooting was pathetic no force to it. Shackleton looks like he just back from doing his homework.
Pontus is the tallest we have got again we had no chance winning headers in the box. Get some muscle in or second half of season we wont make autos. Six goals let in says it all.
 
Every team gets lucky once or twice, just take a look at Cardiff beating Leicester today, who themsleves recently beat City. Odd things happen in football otherwise there wouldn't be any betting.

Oi Aussie! Feck all lucky about us beating Leicester at their gaff yesterday pal - that was a good controlled performance against quality side.

Tactically spot on and executed with determination and not a little skill by a very "together" squad - something we're never given credit for.

Take your point about odd results happening in football generally though, but they very often result from planning just as much as "luck". <ok>
 
No I wasn't having a dig about either game. I was just saying that sometimes even with the best plans and abilities in the world luck plays a significant part in winning some games.

Of course luck can play a part in games, but just pointing out it didn't yesterday at the King Power.

Not getting sensitive pal, just putting you straight on something about which you probably only saw the result and not the game. :emoticon-0148-yes:

Forget the "Match of the Day" pundit twats - they're biased towards the elite clubs and besides that, being hosted by "Leicester Lineker".
 
Of course luck can play a part in games, but just pointing out it didn't yesterday at the King Power.

Not getting sensitive pal, just putting you straight on something about which you probably only saw the result and not the game. :emoticon-0148-yes:

Forget the "Match of the Day" pundit twats - they're biased towards the elite clubs and besides that, being hosted by "Leicester Lineker".
:emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl:

Happy New Year Sparkey
 
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Oi Aussie! Feck all lucky about us beating Leicester at their gaff yesterday pal - that was a good controlled performance against quality side.

Tactically spot on and executed with determination and not a little skill by a very "together" squad - something we're never given credit for.

Take your point about odd results happening in football generally though, but they very often result from planning just as much as "luck". <ok>
Lucky Twats :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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Some thoughts about the match.......

First of all, the team didn't play badly, though there were many individual mistakes. I enjoyed it, even when 1 & 2 down.
Secondly, despite what a lot have aid, we weren't tired, physically or mentally. There was much effort & invention right up until the final whistle.
In summary, it was simply a bad day at the office. Crap referee, 3 fine 'keeper saves & 3 clearances off the line. On another day ...

I was intrigued that Harrison started again, so I decided to focus on him during this match. I've never been a fan of his, mainly because the hype before his arrival promised so much, but as never been delivered. (Not his fault, I guess, but he gets blamed for it anyway). So from that standpoint, you might be a bit surprised by what I say here about him. Basically, I think we should keep him. There, I said it! Why, you ask. Well I started having suspicions that his performances were not entirely all his fault, and I now believe that might be the case.

What started me thinking about this was Alioski bursting into a run of form all of a sudden. I attribute this to him being moved to the right, and Ayling's return. Combined. Without boring you with the detail, they simply play really well together. So why did Alioski produce so many sub-par performances? Easy - he played on the left. With Douglas. And they didn't - and still don't - click.

So, to Harrison. He's not really had a decent run, and as a result of this, it's been assumed that that's the reason for his poor form - well, that or simple lack of skill/application. I took this at face value too. Against Dull, I watched him do everything right (apart from 2 habits which I'll cover later). His movement on & off the ball, passing, crossing, vision, tackling - you name it, he did it ok. In fact, quite well. So where's it all going wrong then? Simple. Douglas. Yes, Douglas gets forward. Sometimes. But that's where his support of his winger ends. And it's not personal. He does it with Alioski too! Douglas imo is the root cause of the problem. I don't know if he's working under instruction, or is simply poor at what he does, but he is simply not fitting in. And I'm only speaking about the attacking aspect - it's widely known that his defensive qualities are not up to scratch - and he proves it often. I'm not going to go on about it. There's a perfectly good chance that I'm talking bollox - but do me a favour & keep an eye out. You'll really need to be at a game to assess, as a lot of the communication breakdown comes from off the ball movement, which you don't get to see on the telly. Happy to be ripped to shreds, but confident that you'll struggle.

Oh, his 2 bad habits. First one is the obvious one - his defending. It's not that he doesn't show willing, he's just not too sharp at times at defensive duties, like tracking runners etc. Usually gives them a head start, but he's not got the pace to catch them once they've got away. Either that or the Dull midfield are Olympic-class sprinters. The second habit you prolly wouldn't notice unless you were focussing on him - and it's an important one. When he crosses, it's almost always the same type - he sends in a ball parallel to the 6 yd line, just out of the 'keeper's reach. No hitting the byeline & cutting back, & no early crosses either. Or very few, to be precise. Now this is a fine cross, don't get me wrong, but there's 2 things wrong with it. First is that it's predictable, and will have been noticed by opposition analysts, but the second is not only important, it's also farcical - the Leeds guys waiting for the cross are too far out for it. They're hovering just inside the 18yd box, presumably looking for a high ball to run on to, instead of a knee-level Exocet fizzing along 12yds in front of them. Someone needs to have a word & sort it out.
With the crosses, is it because we lack height that we don't put the ball deeper in?
 
I remember talking to some Sheff Utd fans in Hull, old time lads, similar age to me saying the PL was crap. People moaning and telling you to sit down because they wanted to gawp at the big stars, trouble getting tickets for away games.together. They were enjoying days out again.
Found out what they meant. Maybe one of half a dozen who had gone away for years getting a ticket for the big games sitting next to, as happened to my mate, 2 women and 2 kids who all managed to get tickets sat together playing on their phones and asking him to tell him who was who because it was their first game.
Of course Leeds with their large away following can't keep everyone happy but at least their away tickets go to real fans.
Then there is the way the "smaller" clubs don't get the rub of the green as far as decisions gol
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Some thoughts about the match.......

First of all, the team didn't play badly, though there were many individual mistakes. I enjoyed it, even when 1 & 2 down.
Secondly, despite what a lot have aid, we weren't tired, physically or mentally. There was much effort & invention right up until the final whistle.
In summary, it was simply a bad day at the office. Crap referee, 3 fine 'keeper saves & 3 clearances off the line. On another day ...

I was intrigued that Harrison started again, so I decided to focus on him during this match. I've never been a fan of his, mainly because the hype before his arrival promised so much, but as never been delivered. (Not his fault, I guess, but he gets blamed for it anyway). So from that standpoint, you might be a bit surprised by what I say here about him. Basically, I think we should keep him. There, I said it! Why, you ask. Well I started having suspicions that his performances were not entirely all his fault, and I now believe that might be the case.

What started me thinking about this was Alioski bursting into a run of form all of a sudden. I attribute this to him being moved to the right, and Ayling's return. Combined. Without boring you with the detail, they simply play really well together. So why did Alioski produce so many sub-par performances? Easy - he played on the left. With Douglas. And they didn't - and still don't - click.

So, to Harrison. He's not really had a decent run, and as a result of this, it's been assumed that that's the reason for his poor form - well, that or simple lack of skill/application. I took this at face value too. Against Dull, I watched him do everything right (apart from 2 habits which I'll cover later). His movement on & off the ball, passing, crossing, vision, tackling - you name it, he did it ok. In fact, quite well. So where's it all going wrong then? Simple. Douglas. Yes, Douglas gets forward. Sometimes. But that's where his support of his winger ends. And it's not personal. He does it with Alioski too! Douglas imo is the root cause of the problem. I don't know if he's working under instruction, or is simply poor at what he does, but he is simply not fitting in. And I'm only speaking about the attacking aspect - it's widely known that his defensive qualities are not up to scratch - and he proves it often. I'm not going to go on about it. There's a perfectly good chance that I'm talking bollox - but do me a favour & keep an eye out. You'll really need to be at a game to assess, as a lot of the communication breakdown comes from off the ball movement, which you don't get to see on the telly. Happy to be ripped to shreds, but confident that you'll struggle.

Oh, his 2 bad habits. First one is the obvious one - his defending. It's not that he doesn't show willing, he's just not too sharp at times at defensive duties, like tracking runners etc. Usually gives them a head start, but he's not got the pace to catch them once they've got away. Either that or the Dull midfield are Olympic-class sprinters. The second habit you prolly wouldn't notice unless you were focussing on him - and it's an important one. When he crosses, it's almost always the same type - he sends in a ball parallel to the 6 yd line, just out of the 'keeper's reach. No hitting the byeline & cutting back, & no early crosses either. Or very few, to be precise. Now this is a fine cross, don't get me wrong, but there's 2 things wrong with it. First is that it's predictable, and will have been noticed by opposition analysts, but the second is not only important, it's also farcical - the Leeds guys waiting for the cross are too far out for it. They're hovering just inside the 18yd box, presumably looking for a high ball to run on to, instead of a knee-level Exocet fizzing along 12yds in front of them. Someone needs to have a word & sort it out.
What did u think ofBowen
 
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Some thoughts about the match.......

First of all, the team didn't play badly, though there were many individual mistakes. I enjoyed it, even when 1 & 2 down.
Secondly, despite what a lot have aid, we weren't tired, physically or mentally. There was much effort & invention right up until the final whistle.
In summary, it was simply a bad day at the office. Crap referee, 3 fine 'keeper saves & 3 clearances off the line. On another day ...

I was intrigued that Harrison started again, so I decided to focus on him during this match. I've never been a fan of his, mainly because the hype before his arrival promised so much, but as never been delivered. (Not his fault, I guess, but he gets blamed for it anyway). So from that standpoint, you might be a bit surprised by what I say here about him. Basically, I think we should keep him. There, I said it! Why, you ask. Well I started having suspicions that his performances were not entirely all his fault, and I now believe that might be the case.

What started me thinking about this was Alioski bursting into a run of form all of a sudden. I attribute this to him being moved to the right, and Ayling's return. Combined. Without boring you with the detail, they simply play really well together. So why did Alioski produce so many sub-par performances? Easy - he played on the left. With Douglas. And they didn't - and still don't - click.

So, to Harrison. He's not really had a decent run, and as a result of this, it's been assumed that that's the reason for his poor form - well, that or simple lack of skill/application. I took this at face value too. Against Dull, I watched him do everything right (apart from 2 habits which I'll cover later). His movement on & off the ball, passing, crossing, vision, tackling - you name it, he did it ok. In fact, quite well. So where's it all going wrong then? Simple. Douglas. Yes, Douglas gets forward. Sometimes. But that's where his support of his winger ends. And it's not personal. He does it with Alioski too! Douglas imo is the root cause of the problem. I don't know if he's working under instruction, or is simply poor at what he does, but he is simply not fitting in. And I'm only speaking about the attacking aspect - it's widely known that his defensive qualities are not up to scratch - and he proves it often. I'm not going to go on about it. There's a perfectly good chance that I'm talking bollox - but do me a favour & keep an eye out. You'll really need to be at a game to assess, as a lot of the communication breakdown comes from off the ball movement, which you don't get to see on the telly. Happy to be ripped to shreds, but confident that you'll struggle.

Oh, his 2 bad habits. First one is the obvious one - his defending. It's not that he doesn't show willing, he's just not too sharp at times at defensive duties, like tracking runners etc. Usually gives them a head start, but he's not got the pace to catch them once they've got away. Either that or the Dull midfield are Olympic-class sprinters. The second habit you prolly wouldn't notice unless you were focussing on him - and it's an important one. When he crosses, it's almost always the same type - he sends in a ball parallel to the 6 yd line, just out of the 'keeper's reach. No hitting the byeline & cutting back, & no early crosses either. Or very few, to be precise. Now this is a fine cross, don't get me wrong, but there's 2 things wrong with it. First is that it's predictable, and will have been noticed by opposition analysts, but the second is not only important, it's also farcical - the Leeds guys waiting for the cross are too far out for it. They're hovering just inside the 18yd box, presumably looking for a high ball to run on to, instead of a knee-level Exocet fizzing along 12yds in front of them. Someone needs to have a word & sort it out.

Interesting take on Douglas there Jock. What do you think Wolves were getting him to do last year that we're not? Particularly if who the winger ahead of him is doesnt matter, it must be a function of the role he's been given/settling into a new club/the water in Leeds?

We really need to be getting the best out of him, and like you I've been a little underwhelmed so far.
 
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Cheers all. It's been a really good match thread this <ok>

Have a great new year :biggrin:

This was a difficult result for me to prefer being essentially a neutral. Being a regular annoyer on this forum for a couple of seasons now has somehow endeared this mob to me. Don't know quite why because they can be quite abusive, but then again we are the same towards sheep so so what.

Having lived in Beverley and worked in Hull for over two years in the mid 80's, I made lots of mates up there and was a regular at Boothferry Park. Subsequent to say that historically I have a greater affinity toward Hull than this rabid lot though that has somewhat dimmed with the passing years to the extent that I now quite like Leeds.

I now tend to be far more circumspect about it all.....................WELL DONE 'ULL............:1980_boogie_down::1980_boogie_down:<diva><diva>
 
Interesting take on Douglas there Jock. What do you think Wolves were getting him to do last year that we're not? Particularly if who the winger ahead of him is doesnt matter, it must be a function of the role he's been given/settling into a new club/the water in Leeds?

We really need to be getting the best out of him, and like you I've been a little underwhelmed so far.
I don’t think Douglas is a bad player, agreed not as good as I had hope to see but when you take a lot of free kicks and corners and you score from them your assists go through the roof. He shares responsibility with Pablo so assists will naturally be lower. I think with Cooper back and a pairing of Pontus and Cooper Phillips in front Douglas will have more freedom to get forward. We’re more 4-5-1 at the moment I prefer 4-1-3-1 with the wing backs creating the 5 in midfield.

Yes last minute winners recently but we’re definitely lacking with Forshaw and Klich together and Alioski and Harrison out wide.