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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. ImpSaint

    ImpSaint Well-Known Member

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    Labour aren't going to make their minds up until a GE is announced. They have no need to put the spotlight on themselves, just keep pointing out that May is neither delivering for leave or remain voters.
     
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    ----HistoryRepeating---- Well-Known Member

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    And to be fair to them, the Tories created this whole pile of crap all by themselves!
     
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  3. ImpSaint

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    I know. Terrible to offer something that at least half the population wanted. Absolutely unthinkable. They should all stick to doing whatever they want and ignoring the public.
     
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  4. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    And which currently at l ast half the population don’t want.
     
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    VocalMinority Well-Known Member

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    Less than half the UK population wanted Brexit. And neither of the Brexit options are more popular than remain as far as anyone can tell.
     
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    We were offered the chance to leave a trade agreement.

    Not segregate Northern Ireland to the point where we'll probably start an internal war.
    Not force the country into a premature recession.
    Not allow Scotland another chance to force a referendum.
    Not allow 27 other countries to force us to the bottom of the pile.

    No deal. Bad deal. Or lets vote again with people actually understanding the consequences.
    I know which I'd pick.
     
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  7. Brinkworth Saint

    Brinkworth Saint Well-Known Member

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    When, if as you say, they eventually tread into the spotlight, we’ll find out, it won’t be much different I fear for gaining clarity for either leavers or remainers.
     
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  8. San Tejón

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    In 2016, the Conservatives had a vote and elected Theresa May as their leader.
    By 2018, the Conservatives have lost faith in their leader and have called for another vote.

    In 2016, we had a referendum on leaving the EU.
    By 2018, an increasing number of people have lost faith in the original vote and want a second vote.
    Will it happen?
     
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  9. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    The trouble was in fairness.......most politicians didn’t want to leave. They were so cocksure the country would get behind them they didn’t bother to prepare nor perhaps to canvass properly so all sides were made aware of any consequences. Without all the bullshit that is..........
    How would you vote if a referendum was called to accept the new deal or to decline the new deal which would mean we would come out with no deal in place.?
     
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    San Tejón Well-Known Member

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    Which is why it pisses me off that May keeps on saying “I will deliver the Brexit the country voted for”.
     
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  11. ImpSaint

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    Are we running the campaign again?

    And premature recession? When was that? I am sure the next recession will be blamed on Brexit but the red flag reports and warnings doing the rounds at the mo are a world thing, not a British thing.

    How can we now know the consequences when all we really know is that people are still trying to forecast things, that our governments blatant attempt to fudge has gone wrong and everyone in the house just wants to cancel it? We know zero consequences. Just forecasts, which we had before we voted the first time. Nothing has actually happened yet, there have been no consequences. Wishful thinking yes.......

    https://share.trin.cam.ac.uk/sites/public/Comms/Rogers_brexit_as_revolution.pdf
     
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    We were not told the important details the first time, so hardly a re-run.
    It could have been good for the country, but it won't be.
     
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  13. ImpSaint

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    So you just need 15% of the eligible voters to sign a petition or send letters in then to trigger a second referendum......or you can keep on using 2000 Yougov samples to try and say that is the same thing.
     
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  14. ImpSaint

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    What makes you think we have been told the "important details" since?
    We have been told the EU would bargain hard. We already knew that.
    We have been told that mega business doesn't want X and Y. We already knew that.
    We have been told of recessions, job losses, house prices crashing. We already got told that.
    We have been told that 80m people viewed leave adverts and from that 800,000 changed their mind to remain.....errrm. by a Professor from Oxford whose own historical research into this would've meant the calculations would actually amount to less than 8,000 even if all of the were remainers and persuaded to change to leave.

    Everything that we are now told as fact, is not fact, it is forecasting and predictions............that they forecasted and predicted before anyway. They are just repeating and ramping up what they said before.

    the only thing we do know now that we didn't know before is that our government (and all the others that say they respect the referendum) had and have no intention of doing what they said they would do. And that those outside of the government seats want to paint the government's refusal to actually try to deliver as meaning it was impossible.

    We know no more now than we did back then other than there are apparently 80m eligible voters in this country. Just that "experts" are still foisting their dire warnings on us that we ignored the first time round and that Lord Adonis' twitter feed makes my posting rate look like snail paced.

    And we have a PM that goes into her 1922 committee meeting and starts her address at 6pm with............."Good morning."
     
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    Lorries stuck at Dover. Losing Scotland & NI to independence. (Wales should ask for a billion)
    NHS sinking, crops not being picked, nobody wants a job here it seems.
    I wanted out. Now I'm sick of it. Keep the same, let the pound regain, watch Greece fold, but I just want to stop hearing about it everyday.
    It might have been the right idea, but with the incompetence of Westminster & the self serving fat cats, the people will never benefit. Just send them off on their holidays and a null the whole thing.
    Its not worth the grief.
     
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    Oh, give it up. That's why we have representative government rather than delegate government.

    Take it to a daft level to prove the point. If 60% of people in Britain wanted all-out nuclear war with France, I'd hope that our representatives didn't support the idea on that basis.

    Vin
     
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    Yeah, you can trust the bonehead public with big decisions. For sure.
     
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  18. ImpSaint

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    This bit I agree with. The last bit (null) is being actioned anyway so no need to worry.
     
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  19. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    oh go on Imps, I'll bite just this once!

    half the population didn't want it.

    52% of those who voted wanted it. 28% had the sense not to vote because they didn't care / understand it as told to them.

    So just over a third of the eligible voted for it. Just over a third of the eligible population voted against it. Just under a third didn't vote.

    Now, 2 years later:

    those that voted know what it actually means. The age group that voted most to leave is (God bless them) less and there are now 2 years more of those pesky teenagers that don't know their ass from their elbow eligible to vote.

    Ignoring the age related considerations, seems pretty obvious the facts might just swing a new vote the other way! (and the 28% that couldn't be assed last time might just have woken up!)

    Obviously, this all bollocks because there is some neo liberalist fascist globalist reason why I'm a complete dickhead xx
     
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  20. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    If you are careless enough to follow the advice of fools don't be surprised when you end up in the ****.
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