Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Excellent post Goldy. I still don't understand how the Irish border issue could be solved. As far as I'm aware there is no such technology invented to.deal with the issue.

Thanks, Bob. Apparently there's a precedent between Norway and Sweden. There is already a tax, VAT, excise and currency border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland policed by administrative and technical tools.
 
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Col and the gang here have nothing in the way of any solution just the odd tell them to **** off

We are British blah blah blah just leave

Europe has acted in a dignified way

Blinkered nationalistic and ignorant to the facts

They all run off when challenged with the question where’s your post Brexit solution

Europeans are better people
 
So she has a news conference at 5pm. Surely she must know that this won’t work.
I see the usual remoaners are running around trying to get a second vote. Trying to flog a dead horse. Sadly Brexit would have be so much easier without the enemy within. I just hope if we are betrayed that plenty of these betrayers lose their jobs.

Would of could of
Brave Brexiteers come to London and feel the heat where are they by the way ?
Most of them in bed now I guess locked in against Johnny Foreigner

Where’s the Brexiteers rally nowhere?

It was a protest vote by the cowards
 
Correct. The tech solutions don't exist. See in depth piece here:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/irish-border-brexit-tech

This is based on evidence from the Irish Chamber of Commerce! They have a vested interest in trying to press for anything that brings the unification of Ireland closer. In my view, both Ireland and the EU have used this issue as artificial leverage in the EU negotiations. International borders are policed increasingly using technology. If the odd lorry has to be stopped and checked, it's no worse than the occasional check at Dover for illegal immigrants.
 
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They should have mentioned that on the ballot then, Col. We voted to “Leave”. We didn’t vote for or against the details.

That's a contrived and hollow argument because Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Johnson and others all made it clear in representations leading up to the referendum vote that voting Leave meant leaving the Single Market and Customs Union. May said subsequently she would honour that... and hasn't.
 
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Maybe the taxes will be lower? Laws may be good? Oh not those bloody laws everyone hates but can't name ! Only messing fella. I don't and have never felt the way you do so I struggle to understand your feelings of being dictated to. I have never seen a problem being a member of the EU, makes sense considering our country is in Europe.

Bob has offered time and time again and that from a non voting poster the voice of reason on here yet gets attacked every time ... not on imo

As said Brexiteers simply have no answers imo
 
That's a contrived and hollow argument because Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Johnson and others all made it clear in representations leading up to the referendum vote that voting Leave meant leaving the Single Market and Customs Union. May said subsequently she would honour that... and hasn't.

No, it isn’t, because no one was obliged to follow any of the coverage before. You could have been on the moon for a year and still voted. All that matters is what was in black and white in front of you.
 
Maybe the taxes will be lower? Laws may be good? Oh not those bloody laws everyone hates but can't name ! Only messing fella. I don't and have never felt the way you do so I struggle to understand your feelings of being dictated to. I have never seen a problem being a member of the EU, makes sense considering our country is in Europe.
The original idea of the EEC was good, a trade agreement that let goods move freely across the European continent, but it has mutated into a power mad machine that produces nothing, manufactures nothing, grows nothing, nor buys nor sells anything and I for whatever reason cannot see it’s justification or purpose for existing, so I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on our feelings towards the machine.
I suppose I get irritated that because of my voting leave, people assume they have the right to wish me dead, call me a racist, tell me I’m stupid call me an uneducated brexitshiteer and thus I should recognise their opinion while they deride mine, and that is something I cannot and will not accept, everyone is entitled to an opinion and just because someone disagrees with mine, this does not automatically make their’s the right one.
 
Thanks, Bob. Apparently there's a precedent between Norway and Sweden. There is already a tax, VAT, excise and currency border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland policed by administrative and technical tools.

Norway - in the Single Market.
Sweden - in the EU and thrrefore Single Market.

Makes that sort of arrangement feasible.

UK being outside of the customs union and single market makes it impossible.
 
That's a contrived and hollow argument because Cameron, Osborne, Gove, Johnson and others all made it clear in representations leading up to the referendum vote that voting Leave meant leaving the Single Market and Customs Union. May said subsequently she would honour that... and hasn't.

Because it was very clear that could never happen even then what did you lot ever expect

Anyone who voted Conservative only has themselves to blame imo
 
Trouble is, as arguments continue, and will clearly continue to rumble on in the UK, those in the EU will be in no rush to sort it, and in no rush to help out. The opinions of those I've spoken to in Paris could be summarised with the phrase; 'It's your mess, you clear it up.' One of my wife's colleagues asked her today if her country had gone mad. The EU will just keep ticking on as normal.
 
Trouble is, as arguments continue, and will clearly continue to rumble on in the UK, those in the EU will be in no rush to sort it, and in no rush to help out. The opinions of those I've spoken to in Paris could be summarised with the phrase; 'It's your mess, you clear it up.' One of my wife's colleagues asked her today if her country had gone mad. The EU will just keep ticking on as normal.

They need us to buy their BMWs and proseccco. We are surely saved.