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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    Yep that also sounds right either way
    It’s a very strong nugget of a statement either way
    One it puts the fear up the Brexiteers
    Two it also enhances the wave throughout that Brexit really is a bad idea all round ... I believe this has always been the intention to spin this
    Brexiteers have no plans I haven’t seen anything in two years in preparation for a new UK post Brexit apart from the lies on the bus
    Yes it will piss off out of touch nationalism but I am convinced that is just blind pride

    We sold out to the Americans and it has taken 50 years for people to realise that in fact I would go further as I believe we are Americans

    That is not hating your country
    That is reality

    We are brilliant at some things of course but the fact is we sold out nearly everything in the UK

    We are now just a big shop all towns have the same stuff London is the worlds best city easily but it built on money nothing more
     
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  2. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Raab gone!
     
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  3. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Thats 2 down now. I wish I had predicited more.<doh>
    If the Brexit secretary can resign that means May is toast.
     
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  4. Frome-Ranger

    Frome-Ranger Well-Known Member

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    To be fair a piece of toast would have been more use than Raab.
     
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  5. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    "Dominic Raab resigns saying he “cannot in all conscience support a deal which doesn’t recognise the importance of the land border between France and Doncaster”

    David Schneider
     
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  6. Quite Possibly Raving

    Quite Possibly Raving Well-Known Member

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    Raab gone. Who, of course, joined post Chequers when we knew the fantasy wasn't going to be delivered. Odd.
     
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    Interesting stuff on the radio this morning, one being that there is a court case (ECJ) underway to decide whether the UK alone (without the agreement of the EU) can revoke or pause Article 50. Apparently most constitutional lawyers think we can. Great news for Remainer MPs, who know there is no parliamentary majority for this deal or a no deal end game, but voting against the deal potentially gives them another option. I doubt the EU would agree to renegotiating something which has taken two and a half years, which would leave Norway or remaining in as the options. Both of which are better than the deal available, unless you don’t care about economics.

    Also Health Secretary Hancock would not confirm or deny whether he told the cabinet that he could not guarantee that deaths would not result from a no deal outcome.

    Raab, like Davis, unable to live with the deal that he was responsible for negotiating. Pathetic failures.

    If, as is highly likely, Parliament kicks this out, surely that means the collapse of the government, with the Tories then forced to decide between self interest, finding a new leader (who of course will be just as **** as May), or calling an election (nightmare) or seeking to give Parliament more direction through another referendum (no guarantee that a significant majority either way will result, horribly divisive, not a solution). They will of course choose self interest, because they are Tories.

    May you live in interesting times, as the old Chinese curse goes.
     
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  8. ELLERS

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    Totally agree. They have all known for months. I think they all know that she is toast and the deal won't get through.
    TBH this deal could never be accepted by either side.
     
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  9. DT’s Socks

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    I agree maybe May was toast before she became PM ? Thankfully it looks like a No deal will ever happen the country will never accept that now they understand the pitfalls

    Hoping the UK’s tantrum worked to reform the EU which of course it needed and the UK’s place at the EUROPEAN table looks a lot stronger now

    Voila as Stan mentioned news reports now the legal side looking into the Brexit clause ... we had to show and lead that we meant business by the trigger

    Just imagine that as a complete story that’s all it is of course but I believe it’s a very good bet

    Russians next as fiddling in the vote has to come imo after all the groundwork spun has been laid with the other anti Russian stuff
     
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  10. Stroller

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    ......and McVey makes three.
     
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    What a complete ****ing mess
     
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  12. ELLERS

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    :steam: That stupid MP has just cost me the league prediction!
     
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    Not a mess. It's democracy.
     
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    McVey has gone, it's unravelling fast. May will be gone by the end of the week...
     
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  15. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully by today.
    Oh S22t! Vince the Cable is on talking about a second referendum. <doh> zzzzzzzz
     
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  16. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    What other options are there though?
     
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  17. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    On another note
    We are all witnessing history here. A very important time in this country's history.
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    A free trade deal (Canada plus)
    A no deal is better than a second vote. You cannot have another vote basically saying 'you got it wrong so try again'. Not getting into the old stuff again. We voted to leave so we leave.
     
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    Will we, though??
     
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  20. bobmid

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    A no deal is better than a second vote?!?!?! We voted to leave so we leave?!?!?!?
    You didn't have a clue what you were voting for....Nobody did. This time everyone does! Surely even you can see that!!!
     
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