Off Topic The Politics Thread

[DT’s Socks]

If one third of her cabinet do resign ie all the Brexiters, her credibility will be shot.

If the Brexiters don't resign tomorrow but don't agree with the deal, then it's their credibility at stake

What credibility she has never had mine
She is a puppet people don’t ever forget that
Look at the ABBA dance
I sincerely hate the conversatives I really do

 

[DT’s Socks]

No, no.....you've won.
The political elite have bottled it and your mate Jezza and the other career politicians will get power on the back of the backlash the 17 million will inflict on the Tories.
You are getting everything you wanted.
Rejoice!!

col seriously no one should ever think they have won no one has but I appeal to you to look at what damage a no deal will do x

 

[ELLERS]

No, no.....you've won.
The political elite have bottled it and your mate Jezza and the other career politicians will get power on the back of the backlash the 17 million will inflict on the Tories.
You are getting everything you wanted.
Rejoice!!

Col I actually think that no ones won.
Funnily the Irish PM was just asked would he phone Jezza and Co to support the deal and he had the audacity to say "I don't interfer in UK politics".

 

[bobmid]

Just had a quick scan at the deal.
In my opinion it shows that the referendum was a farce and I was right not to vote. This option/deal was never on the ballot paper...was it?

 

[bobmid]

And if it wasn't on the ballot paper then nobody leavers or remainers alike had a Scooby do what they were actually voting for. We as a nation have been duped....and we call ourselves democratic! If it wasn't so tragic it would be laughable.

 

[rangercol]

Seriously Col it has nothing to do with being racist so cannot be ranked anywhere near that silly outburst. I would stand to say in fact that I have read some dreadful anti European name calling in here. I welcome all nations to the my country unconditionally because I firmly believe that the majority of them are better humans than you standard Anglo Saxon today

We have terms like swarm on here and in the nation press

We have no right in this world to stop people from travelling all over it as long as they respect the place they find themselves

A Brexiteer to me has under lying properties that are far closer to a racism term in my book and that I find immoral. I say this because of the main reason they were presented to vote on namely immigration. The UK is one big shop why should people be allowed to enter it ... plenty of space for all.

the NHS thing dreadful

You will never solve that money pit it’s poorly run ... not the doctors or nurses but the administration is of an America business model it’s a complete mess and only going to get worse

It is not by any means the best and there lies the problem we still foolishly believe like the NHS that we are the best at most things in the UK

The truth people need to wake up to is that we are a long way behind and believing that drags us down further

If a no deal happens then I can only hope for massive civil unrest bring it on!

It took France decades to heal the divide after WW2 when the north sold out this will be the same

I hope the Brexiteers mob are put down because I do not believe the real will of the people today would be 52/48 it would be 65/35 to remain easily

The brexit generation needs to die off and do so quickly

Ridiculous generalisation.

Uttererly ridiculous.
Your vitriol towards all 17.4 million people is both ignorant and more divisive than any vote.
Your hatred towards people who voted for something they believed in is an absolute disgrace.

You clearly enjoy insulting people who disagree with you and make sweeping judgements on their beliefs.
People like you make a difficult situation ten times worse.

Knock yourself out with your own country hating response as I won't waste my energy reading any more of your twaddle.

 

[ELLERS]

Just had a quick scan at the deal.
In my opinion it shows that the referendum was a farce and I was right not to vote. This option/deal was never on the ballot paper...was it?

correct, although you are now getting into the realms of what people actually voted for.
For me, I just wanted a break from the EU without them being involved with us other than trade and friendships. I never had a problem with immigration as long as it was fair and legitimate. I wanted us to do business with other countries with all the EU BS. I have now got nothing from this. 2 years getting involved in Politics only to be turned off by it due to politics.

 

[bobmid]

correct, although you are now getting into the realms of what people actually voted for.
For me, I just wanted a break from the EU without them being involved with us other than trade and friendships. I never had a problem with immigration as long as it was fair and legitimate. I wanted us to do business with other countries with all the EU BS. I have now got nothing from this. 2 years getting involved in Politics only to be turned off by it due to politics.

It's not meant as an insulting generalisation Ellers. It's meant as a nation being conned. Remainers and leavers. Neither voted for this deal as it wasn't an option to vote for! So in hindsight, it didn't really matter what you voted for!!

 

[danishqp]

Cabinet agrees. Doubtless a couple of resignations to come, McVey and Mordaunt, possibly Leadsom. Gove, Fox, Raab probably think their careers are better off going along. Let’s hope they are wrong.

Now it’s up to Parliament and then the EU 27. If Parliament rejects, which looks likely, presumably May resigns and/or calls an election.

What an epically miserable experience this whole thing is. I can’t think of a single public figure, of either viewpoint, that I have more respect for now than I did 3 years ago. And I had virtually no respect for any of them back then.

Meanwhile, I discover that an old mate of mine, a Gooner who I used to go to Edinburgh with (along with a bunch of others) almost annually to watch Hibs, drink Guiness and have a laugh, has terminal cancer. I think he’s too ill and it’s too far gone for active treatment (and for his form of cancer it would add months at best even if he was fit enough to handle it). But the chemo regime he was offered in the NHS was the same as he would have got in 1999. It’s a ****ing joke, 3rd world stuff. Good luck Deano.

Sorry to hear your news Stan - it’s all quite sobering.
Will be at my old haunt, Langans, next week to mark the passing of an old dear friend.
We’re dropping like fllies at the mo. :-(

 

[rangercol]

It's not meant as an insulting generalisation Ellers. It's meant as a nation being conned. Remainers and leavers. Neither voted for this deal as it wasn't an option to vote for! So in hindsight, it didn't really matter what you voted for!!

I voted to become a free nation with zero rule from unelected, undemocratic ,self serving, corrupt beaurocrats in Brussels.
I voted for every law to be made by people in our parliament that I can vote out if I so desire.

I have been betrayed as the EU literally laugh at us.

I'll never forgive May and most of the political class.

****s the lot of them.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

What credibility she has never had mine
She is a puppet people don’t ever forget that
Look at the ABBA dance
I sincerely hate the conversatives I really do

Labour is equally divided on the issue. Labour has tried to make it all about the economy, without realising it is also about identity

 

[ELLERS]

I voted to become a free nation with zero rule from unelected, undemocratic ,self serving, corrupt beaurocrats in Brussels.
I voted for every law to be made by people in our parliament that I can vote out if I so desire.

I have been betrayed as the EU literally laugh at us.

I'll never forgive May and most of the political class.

****s the lot of them.

If this goes through. I will never vote again. I will be writing to John Redwood MP and tell him he has lost 3 votes from us.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

I voted to become a free nation with zero rule from unelected, undemocratic ,self serving, corrupt beaurocrats in Brussels.
I voted for every law to be made by people in our parliament that I can vote out if I so desire.

I have been betrayed as the EU literally laugh at us.

I'll never forgive May and most of the political class.

****s the lot of them.

Not over yet, Col. In some ways, just beginning... I hope May goes asap.

 

[bobmid]

EU may be laughing at us, mainly because we have a comedy of politics in the uk

 

[DT’s Socks]

Ridiculous generalisation.

Uttererly ridiculous.
Your vitriol towards all 17.4 million people is both ignorant and more divisive than any vote.
Your hatred towards people who voted for something they believed in is an absolute disgrace.

You clearly enjoy insulting people who disagree with you and make sweeping judgements on their beliefs.
People like you make a difficult situation ten times worse.

Knock yourself out with your own country hating response as I won't waste my energy reading any more of your twaddle.

We are two different sides Col
I see a no deal Brexit as a diasaster having fully accepted the vote
I still believe it is wrong it’s that simple
I insulted no one before they insulted me personally you cannot deny that

The reason I am passionate is because I do care about my country and I am odds at anyone British who feels a default pride about a mess is British engineered over history

I do not believe in the food we have been fed on many British issues and care not who agrees with me or not

 

[DT’s Socks]

EU may be laughing at us, mainly because we have a comedy of politics in the uk

Absolutely how can anyone not agree on that!

Hope a few Brexiteers on here st last understand that at last we are considered by many as being pretty much lost and a joke

 

[DT’s Socks]

Labour is equally divided on the issue. Labour has tried to make it all about the economy, without realising it is also about identity

I agree but I do not believe JC will ever be a puppet I admire that from him yet most in here talk about him as being a Russian . The same people who won’t even consider the Russians interfered in their win vote

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

I agree but I do not believe JC will ever be a puppet I admire that from him yet most in here talk about him as being a Russian . The same people who won’t even consider the Russians interfered in their win vote

He's an old fashioned, big state socialist. Socialism has never worked well anywhere. Corbyn used to hold to Venezuela as a paragon of virtue. He's gone quiet on that now. He's sympathetic with Russia but I doubt it goes further than that. If the Russians did interfere in the Brexit referendum, they were pushing on an open door. I've never seen any evidence anyone here was influenced. Positions of voters are entrenched and, taking an average of polls, have changed little since 2016

 

[sb_73]

Fail, meant to be a schematic of next steps.

 

[ELLERS]

May is now with Comrade Corbyn trying to get him and his party to back her deal. After what she has said about him...Surely he will stay loyal to his priciples?