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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Oh dear Nick Clegg making himself look stupid again. Nigel Farage was spot on.
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    May's deal (leaked) is getting slated by all.
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    EU CRISIS: US, China and Brazil FURIOUS at Brussels over plan for post-Brexit import quota
    THE European Union has suffered another huge Brexit blow after more than 20 countries, including the US, China and Brazil, rejected plans from Brussels over how to split sensitive import quotas with Britain when it leaves the bloc next year.
    By Paul Withers
    PUBLISHED: 08:36, Tue, Nov 13, 2018 | UPDATED: 13:39, Tue, Nov 13, 2018
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    Brexit: UK not at the mercy of EU over imports says expert
    Brexit: UK not at the mercy of EU over imports says expert
    Economist Victoria Hewson claims Britain isn't controlled by the EU's stance on imports and exports and can maximise the potential for East coast ports for handling trade from outside the customs union.
    The latest concerns were raised at a meeting on Monday at the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in Geneva, Switzerland, with several nations warning the plans would be unfair on their companies and farmers. Tariff-rate quotas (TRQs) define the volume of sensitive goods, such as meat and cheese, that other World Trade Organisation (WTO) members can export to Europe. They set the amounts of goods that can be imported at low or zero tariffs, as opposed to full WTO rates that can often exceed 100 percent.
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    Last year, Brussels and London came up with a joint plan that involved dividing the current quotas based on consumption patterns.
    This means the UK would take a larger quota for products such as New Zealand lamb, where it accounts for much of the European Union demand.
    Both parties want endorsement of the plan from the WTO before Brexit takes effect from March 29, 2019.
    But the group of countries used Monday’s meeting in Geneva to complain they would still lose out because the quota splits would reduce flexibility for exporters used to exporting to a single 28-country market.

    EU news: The US are one of many countries objecting to the EU's quota plans post-Brexit (Image: GETTY)
    One official told the Financial Times that Australia warned at the meeting splitting TRQs risked being too small to be commercially viable, while the US rejected the proposals on the basis that exporters would be worse off.
    A group of 12 countries, also including China, Brazil and Mexico, put together a draft note before yesterday’s meeting outlining what they thought were the problems with the EU plan, in addition to other nations raising their concerns.
    The rejection of the plan is the latest blow for the EU and a sign of his big trade powers are intensifying their demands over the UK’s imminent exit from the bloc should be managed - both short and long-term.
    Both parties have been working together over recent months around how to share out the TRQs, which are particularly valuable to agricultural exporters such as Argentina and New Zealand, and also the powerful farm lobby in the US.
    It is also a hugely important issue for Brussels and London, as the result of talks will determine how much competition farmers from within the EU and specifically the UK will face.
    But failure to find a solution at the WTO over how to split the TRQs could ever trigger legal challenges from several of the EU’s trading partners.
    EU news: TRQs are massively valuable to agricultural importers, such as New Zealand (Image: GETTY)
    This is the latest disagreement holding up the UK’s efforts to pull itself away from the EU at the WTO as Brexit negotiations hit yet another crucial point.
    According to the Financial Times, negotiations on the general market access the UK will provide other WTO members and on the UK’s membership of an international agreement on public procurement are progressing slower than anticipated.
    Last week, countries across the EU expressed their anger at Brussels because they feel they’re being blocked out of trade talks with the UK.
    According to a shock revelation on a radio podcast, member states are furious at the way the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier and the European Commission are handling negotiations.
    BBC veteran Adam Fleming said: “What I’ve found from talking to the diplomats of the member states working on this, and I’ve never seen so many of them so angry about an issue as this, is that the UK-wide customs proposal, which could be the backstop which means that it has to go into the withdrawal agreement, is now tipping into being about the future relationship.

    EU news: More than 20 countries expressed displeasure at the plans during a meeting at the WTO (Image: GETTY)
    “They’re cross for two reasons - number one, the extent to which you can put all this stuff in the withdrawal agreement - that is really pushing up against the legal limits of article 50 which is meant to be about the withdrawal and a hint of the future, so there's a real problem there.
    “What you need with a trade deal is all your level playing field measures on rules and regulations to make sure there’s fair competition in return for such good access to the single market.
    “And then you’ve got countries saying ‘hang on, so the future relationship declaration is being negotiated without us and we’ve not really had any input into what the future relationship is gonna be like with the UK.
    “And it’s gonna be done in four days and then presented to all of us to sign off in one night.’
    “They’re getting really, really angry about that.”
     
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  6. Steelmonkey

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    Of course it will.....

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    But will we still get our cherries too?
     
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    How many Cabinet resignations tonight/tomorrow morning. I'll go with three.
     
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    The final act of the theatrical drama called Brexit

    All going to plan?

    We will be left with a section of our population even more steadfast against Europe and the rest blaming the others for ruining the future for the next generation.

    Or the country may need to decide again

    Either way everyone has been conned imo
     
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    This is nowhere near the final act, sadly. This fiasco will see me out.
     
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    It'll be interesting to see whether it's a 'Hotel California' style deal. I think whatever she's come up with she's basically toast...
     
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    Now comes the point where the deal is rejected by the Commons.

    Without knowing any details, this deal represents the chance of an unhappy unity across the whole country - nobody being satisfied but at least it's the closest approximation to middle ground.

    It's not even about the will of the people but the will of some bickering self-serving politicians from the Tories, Labour and the DUP.

    Reject the deal and it goes 50:50 IMO. Either no deal or a referendum and either way the country remains divided for years to come.

    As much as I'd like to remain, I'd go for whatever is on the table just to bring an end to this whole sorry affair and allow us, as a country, to move forward.
     
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  12. kiwiqpr

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    i hope they sort it out before they get their european army together
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    would be surprised if that many left
    be a nice earner being a cabinet minister
     
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    Is this part of the prediction league? :1980_boogie_down: I will go for 2.
     
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    I’ll go high with 4
     
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    Treason Maybot prediction league
    (Winner gets 4 years of negotiations with no end result).
    Stroller 3
    Ellers 2
    Staines 4
     
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    Hoping for 7 and a new vote as most original Brexiteers now understand the subject
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab rings the doorbell at 10 Downing Street and has to wait outside to gain access, before leaving again a short time later following a meeting inside
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  19. YorkshireHoopster

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    Well we know for a fact that Boris has already condemned it. How does he know what's been agreed as he is not a Cabinet minister.and TM will have employed all the tricks she learned while in the Home Office to ensure that the ones who were told first left by a different door and were probably driven away by MI5 to prevent them speaking to anyone publicly or privately until she has told us the proletariat what she has agreed. Or thinks she has agreed. Hopefully she will stop at that rather then utilising some of the more dubious tricks she will have learned about. Which country would want Boris Johnson and/or JRM to be renditioned over to them?

    Bet there are a lot of ministers having a sleepless night deciding which side of their toast to butter tomorrow morning. Now we get to see who decide what is best for their political careers or for the interests of the country. There must be a conscience in there somewhere The problem for those who state that Maybot has persuaded them with her "vision" is that if they do so leaving it to Labour to reject it is they will forfeit their shot at the next leadership contest whether Labour do 'reject it or they don't. There's a lot you can call that sort of gamesmanship. Personally 'spineless' and 'untrustworthy' to organise a piss up in a brewery, never mind lead a nuclear power...

    I'll bet that the leaders of the 27 have no such worries in backing the deal brokered by their professional negotiators.
     
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    I wonder how many of those people that rushed to get an Irish passport realise that they have just signed up to Compulsory conscription for them (if young enough) and their kids when this Euro army gets going? <yikes>

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