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thefanwithnoname said:
Ok mate Im not sure how to clarify this for you. The argument was it can effect a kid. For some reason a couple of you think it implies negative. I'm saying no effect the can be anything

A kid growing up with a homophobic father or racist father etc will at some point be more accepting of those views.

Currently research shows that women are less gay and more bisexual and men are less bisexual and more gay. My example was to show that one effect could change that. No judgement as to that being positive or negative. I was asked so gave an example
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Well, all aspects of parenting has an effect on the children.

So you (and comm it seems) are saying that having gay parents has an effect on children, but it's not a negative one.

I'm not really sure what the issue is then ? Like I've said, being in a loving and supportive family is more important that the parents sexual orientation imo.
 
Diego said:
Come on mate, they are ****ing imbeciles on there and you know it.
I have no mates on any board, I post my own opinions.
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Yeah there are, I'd be more worried about GC than anyone who mainly posts here though.

And you may say that but you really dislike Tobes and Stan so Dull etc. are your mates by proxy.
 
The Liebherr Legacy said:
Yeah but that would apply equally to homosexual and heterosexual couples, no?
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Which is the examples I gave and why I disagree or don't agree 100% with that sentiment

That's the point I made that if social services don't give a child to a couple because of the negative effect it will have on the child based on ethnicity then how can we argue it won't because of sexuality?

Just to point out I don't see it as negative. These are reasons couple have been denied kids. Although they we're going to look at the ethnicity thing so.may have changed it
 
Diego said:
If that is family mate you may have made a bad choice to post on here (I have two granddaughters I live for by the way), if the clowns on the politics board see this they will use it in some way.
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thats down to them mate. everyone on here has seen loads off pictures of me and the bairn.

its all i care about really
 
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The Liebherr Legacy said:
Yeah there are, I'd be more worried about GC than anyone who mainly posts here though.

And you may say that but you really dislike Tobes and Stan so Dull etc. are your mates by proxy.
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Never been on it so can't comment.

I don't dislike anyone, I just find some people tedious when they think of themselves as clever. Each to their own I suppose but it is funny when some speak of "winning" :emoticon-0100-smile
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Which is the examples I gave and why I disagree or don't agree 100% with that sentiment

That's the point I made that if social services don't give a child to a couple because of the negative effect it will have on the child based on ethnicity then how can we argue it won't because of sexuality?

Just to point out I don't see it as negative. These are reasons couple have been denied kids. Although they we're going to look at the ethnicity thing so.may have changed it
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Have you got any context/sources for this couple/s denied adoption due to ethnicity?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Which is the examples I gave and why I disagree or don't agree 100% with that sentiment

That's the point I made that if social services don't give a child to a couple because of the negative effect it will have on the child based on ethnicity then how can we argue it won't because of sexuality?

Just to point out I don't see it as negative. These are reasons couple have been denied kids. Although they we're going to look at the ethnicity thing so.may have changed it
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Does that even happen anymore though ?

I know that most kids up for adoption will attempted to be placed with at least one parent of similar ethnicity, but I don't think adoptive parents are refused because they are a different ethnicity to the child.

Happy to be corrected if wrong.
 
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PISKIE said:
Well, all aspects of parenting has an effect on the children.

So you (and comm it seems) are saying that having gay parents has an effect on children, but it's not a negative one.

I'm not really sure what the issue is then ? Like I've said, being in a loving and supportive family is more important that the parents sexual orientation imo.
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I don't think me and @Commachio passed judgement either way. Simply argued that there will be effects on the child

As far as I know the research into gay adoption showed that the kids did engage in homosexual behaviour or at least tried it. American research iirc. And it suggested who adopts does impact or effect the kids.

My other point is that social services turn down hetro couples for all sorts of ( inane imo) reasons. So scrutinisisng gay couples is part for the course and not discrimination.
 
Diego said:
Fair enough, I know you go on there sometimes so are aware of the childish "pranks" they pull <ok>
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this is a good board,as this one thread has proved.

Amongst all the the **** their is a diamond...this thread proves there is a lot a diamonds,
 
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PISKIE said:
Does that even happen anymore though ?

I know that most kids up for adoption will attempted to be placed with at least one parent of similar ethnicity, but I don't think adoptive parents are refused because they are a different ethnicity to the child.

Happy to be corrected if wrong.
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Tbh I was just giving examples I was aware of and I did say to leibh that I know they were looking at that so it may have changed

But again I will ask the question if one parent must be same ethnicity then how far do we go with gay couples? Should one be same gender? Can men only adopt girls and women only boys?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I don't think me and @Commachio passed judgement either way. Simply argued that there will be effects on the child

As far as I know the research into gay adoption showed that the kids did engage in homosexual behaviour or at least tried it. American research iirc. And it suggested who adopts does impact or effect the kids.

My other point is that social services turn down hetro couples for all sorts of ( inane imo) reasons. So scrutinisisng gay couples is part for the course and not discrimination.
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Nope never passed judgement either way..

I'd rather see kid kids in families {gay or not}. but what i did say, it will never always be hunky dory.
 
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Diego said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-40416237
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/...red-minds-heartbroken-couple-told-cant-adopt/

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/adopti...-refused-to-be-allowed-to-adopt-a-white-child
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One example? So not a widespread issue of something going on then, rather 'this happened once'.

thefanwithnoname said:
Tbh I was just giving examples I was aware of and I did say to leibh that I know they were looking at that so it may have changed

But again I will ask the question if one parent must be same ethnicity then how far do we go with gay couples? Should one be same gender? Can men only adopt girls and women only boys?
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Not true.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I don't think me and @Commachio passed judgement either way. Simply argued that there will be effects on the child

As far as I know the research into gay adoption showed that the kids did engage in homosexual behaviour or at least tried it. American research iirc. And it suggested who adopts does impact or effect the kids.

My other point is that social services turn down hetro couples for all sorts of ( inane imo) reasons. So scrutinisisng gay couples is part for the course and not discrimination.
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As I've said, all parenting will affect the children. That's the nature of parenting. What those effects are are more to do with the parenting style that the parent's sexual orientation.

Can you post a link to the research that shows that children adopted by gay parents were more likely to engage in homosexual behaviour ? as that sounds highly dubious to me.

As for social services scrutinising prospective adoptive parents. Rightly so, they should be. But again, sexual orientation isn't the issue, the issue is whether they will provide a loving and secure home for the child.
 
The Liebherr Legacy said:
Have you got any context/sources for this couple/s denied adoption due to ethnicity?
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Best just google.it mate. It's a changing field

However it was a fact,maybe still is, that bme kids were left behind when it came to adoption and not through white folk jot wanting them.but how social services saw the "best thing" for the child. This.included facing racism, bullying etc

Now most research around gay parents suggests the kids do face the same, albeit not early on (the case for bme is same in say primary school). So they get bullied and homophobia
 
Commachio said:
Nope never passed judgement either way..

I'd rather see kid kids in families {gay or not}. but what i did say, it will never always be hunky dory.
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Nobody is saying you did pass judgement fella. That's a bit of a strawman argument from Fan. The issue was raised about what effect having gay parents would have on the child. I think the consensus is that it doesn't really matter, as long as the child is in a loving family.

There are always going to be examples of things going awry. But that's not really down to the parents sexual orientation.
 
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