Match Day Thread West Brom v QPR

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Didley Squat said:
Not sure if the fault lies at the feet of McLaren.
I'm inclined to point any fault in the direction of the club board and the total lack of investment even of the smallest kind.
McLaren can't operate with little to no staff and or a bunch of trainees.
He's needs a blend of experience to balance the youngster when things go pear-shape, ie ( second half of game)
The best artist in the world will struggle to present a masterpiece with little to no palette.
Heck, we don';t even have a standard colour range to chose from.
Anyway, just my two-bobs worth.
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We have good players for this league
McClaren could of sorting that out in the second half . He knew what he was working with when he was appointed.

Time will tell but I dont think he has ever been any good ... I think he could be unemployable in the U.K. and jumped at the chance. He is a coach a number three st best imo
 
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Sooperhoop said:
Come back Ollie, all is forgiven...:grin:
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Thats the crazy thing.
Why did they punt Ollie and in their wisdom, they decided to install McLaren and better still, hand pick some of the better players to sell on.
Doesn't make any sense.
Only QPR could present such a stuff up ..................... meanwhile, we continue to require a DoF mind you, not to mention an evergrowing team of support staff.
We have a Champagne management team and a low- alcohol beer playing roster.
No wonder our club is all over the shop.
Anyway, we can only hope our new CEO can appease both the fans, the FA and the bankers.
 
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Didley Squat said:
Thats the crazy thing.
Why did they punt Ollie and in their wisdom, they decided to install McLaren and better still, hand pick some of the better players to sell on.
Doesn't make any sense.
Only QPR could present such a stuff up ..................... meanwhile, we continue to require a DoF mind you, not to mention an evergrowing team of support staff.
We have a Champagne management team and a low- alcohol beer playing roster.
No wonder our club is all over the shop.
Anyway, we can only hope our new CEO can appease both the fans, the FA and the bankers.
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I worry it's mostly alcohol free diddles
 
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Didley Squat said:
Not sure if the fault lies at the feet of McLaren.
I'm inclined to point any fault in the direction of the club board and the total lack of investment even of the smallest kind.
McLaren can't operate with little to no staff and or a bunch of trainees.
He's needs a blend of experience to balance the youngster when things go pear-shape, ie ( second half of game)
The best artist in the world will struggle to present a masterpiece with little to no palette.
Heck, we don';t even have a standard colour range to chose from.
Anyway, just my two-bobs worth.
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It’s the whole sorry lot of ‘em, as far as I’m concerned, including Amit Bhatia. What exactly has the man done other than appear on the periphery of every ****e decision made by this club in the last 6-7 years?

McClaren (capital C, not capital L) is taking the money, so every bit entitled to take his share of the vitriol. When I complain to a large organisation and can only speak to some call centre lackey who tells me I’m being unfair to him because that’s all he is, I remind him that he is what the bigwigs are putting between them and the punters, so I have every right to sound off at him.

McClaren is our call centre lackey.

Amazingly, I’m finding myself a little nostalgic for the no-nonsense, decisive administration of Tango & Cash at the moment. Yes, it was somewhat chaotic from the outside, but no question the club progressed year-on-year until it was Premier League. I get the impression that Watford was managed in a similar way and they are now a sustainable PL side despite a few changes in management personnel.

The anti-alchemy mix of Fernandes, Bhatia, Sir Les and Gnamadamadingdong has been a catalogue of bollocks.

I say get rid of McClaren soonest and scout for another young progressive foreign manager like Luigi De Canio, then give him licence to loan emerging talent from abroad and 2-3 years to set the right culture and infrastructure within the club. Manage expectations on that basis.

Alternatively, wait for the short-term fix of Warnock - I fear we may need him to do for us what he did for Rotherham a few seasons back - then appoint the young foreigner.

Dickheads like McClaren are not the future of this club. If you appoint mediocre has-beens then you should expect mediocrity.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
It’s the whole sorry lot of ‘em, as far as I’m concerned, including Amit Bhatia. What exactly has the man done other than appear on the periphery of every ****e decision made by this club in the last 6-7 years?

McClaren (capital C, not capital L) is taking the money, so every bit entitled to take his share of the vitriol. When I complain to a large organisation and can only speak to some call centre lackey who tells me I’m being unfair to him because that’s all he is, I remind him that he is what the bigwigs are putting between them and the punters, so I have every right to sound off at him.

McClaren is our call centre lackey.

Amazingly, I’m finding myself a little nostalgic for the no-nonsense, decisive administration of Tango & Cash at the moment. Yes, it was somewhat chaotic from the outside, but no question the club progressed year-on-year until it was Premier League. I get the impression that Watford was managed in a similar way and they are now a sustainable PL side despite a few changes in management personnel.

The anti-alchemy mix of Fernandes, Bhatia, Sir Les and Gnamadamadingdong has been a catalogue of bollocks.

I say get rid of McClaren soonest and scout for another young progressive foreign manager like Luigi De Canio, then give him licence to loan emerging talent from abroad and 2-3 years to set the right culture and infrastructure within the club. Manage expectations on that basis.

Alternatively, wait for the short-term fix of Warnock - I fear we may need him to do for us what he did for Rotherham a few seasons back - then appoint the young foreigner.

Dickheads like McClaren are not the future of this club. If you appoint mediocre has-beens then you should expect mediocrity.
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First of all, l’m hearing ya ...... and second of all, stop fence-sitting and say what you really feel.
 
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Didley Squat said:
Not sure if the fault lies at the feet of McLaren.
I'm inclined to point any fault in the direction of the club board and the total lack of investment even of the smallest kind.
McLaren can't operate with little to no staff and or a bunch of trainees.
He's needs a blend of experience to balance the youngster when things go pear-shape, ie ( second half of game)
The best artist in the world will struggle to present a masterpiece with little to no palette.
Heck, we don';t even have a standard colour range to chose from.
Anyway, just my two-bobs worth.
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In other words, exactly the same handicaps that Holloway worked under. Or am I missing something?
 
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McClaren needs to show some of that coaching nous he delivered the last time he was here in 2013/2014 - he certainly helped corral the defence then.

Don’t see him getting another job in coaching if he fails here; so he should have the motivation.

I think he might turn it around - to keep us up not anything else mind.
 
Uber_Hoop said:
It’s the whole sorry lot of ‘em, as far as I’m concerned, including Amit Bhatia. What exactly has the man done other than appear on the periphery of every ****e decision made by this club in the last 6-7 years?

McClaren (capital C, not capital L) is taking the money, so every bit entitled to take his share of the vitriol. When I complain to a large organisation and can only speak to some call centre lackey who tells me I’m being unfair to him because that’s all he is, I remind him that he is what the bigwigs are putting between them and the punters, so I have every right to sound off at him.

McClaren is our call centre lackey.

Amazingly, I’m finding myself a little nostalgic for the no-nonsense, decisive administration of Tango & Cash at the moment. Yes, it was somewhat chaotic from the outside, but no question the club progressed year-on-year until it was Premier League. I get the impression that Watford was managed in a similar way and they are now a sustainable PL side despite a few changes in management personnel.

The anti-alchemy mix of Fernandes, Bhatia, Sir Les and Gnamadamadingdong has been a catalogue of bollocks.

I say get rid of McClaren soonest and scout for another young progressive foreign manager like Luigi De Canio, then give him licence to loan emerging talent from abroad and 2-3 years to set the right culture and infrastructure within the club. Manage expectations on that basis.

Alternatively, wait for the short-term fix of Warnock - I fear we may need him to do for us what he did for Rotherham a few seasons back - then appoint the young foreigner.

Dickheads like McClaren are not the future of this club. If you appoint mediocre has-beens then you should expect mediocrity.
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Mediocrity? I dream of mediocrity.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
It’s the whole sorry lot of ‘em, as far as I’m concerned, including Amit Bhatia. What exactly has the man done other than appear on the periphery of every ****e decision made by this club in the last 6-7 years?

McClaren (capital C, not capital L) is taking the money, so every bit entitled to take his share of the vitriol. When I complain to a large organisation and can only speak to some call centre lackey who tells me I’m being unfair to him because that’s all he is, I remind him that he is what the bigwigs are putting between them and the punters, so I have every right to sound off at him.

McClaren is our call centre lackey.

Amazingly, I’m finding myself a little nostalgic for the no-nonsense, decisive administration of Tango & Cash at the moment. Yes, it was somewhat chaotic from the outside, but no question the club progressed year-on-year until it was Premier League. I get the impression that Watford was managed in a similar way and they are now a sustainable PL side despite a few changes in management personnel.

The anti-alchemy mix of Fernandes, Bhatia, Sir Les and Gnamadamadingdong has been a catalogue of bollocks.

I say get rid of McClaren soonest and scout for another young progressive foreign manager like Luigi De Canio, then give him licence to loan emerging talent from abroad and 2-3 years to set the right culture and infrastructure within the club. Manage expectations on that basis.

Alternatively, wait for the short-term fix of Warnock - I fear we may need him to do for us what he did for Rotherham a few seasons back - then appoint the young foreigner.

Dickheads like McClaren are not the future of this club. If you appoint mediocre has-beens then you should expect mediocrity.
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There's a lot of assumptions in there about board and backroom that you cant presumably back up with anything factual. It's fruitless talking about new managers after 3 games it ain't going to happen and if it does it just crystallizes the view that we are a basket case club. I'm not particularly enamoured if McLaren but I'm not willing to go into full meltdown mode yet (saving that for tuesday).
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
It’s the whole sorry lot of ‘em, as far as I’m concerned, including Amit Bhatia. What exactly has the man done other than appear on the periphery of every ****e decision made by this club in the last 6-7 years?

McClaren (capital C, not capital L) is taking the money, so every bit entitled to take his share of the vitriol. When I complain to a large organisation and can only speak to some call centre lackey who tells me I’m being unfair to him because that’s all he is, I remind him that he is what the bigwigs are putting between them and the punters, so I have every right to sound off at him.

McClaren is our call centre lackey.

Amazingly, I’m finding myself a little nostalgic for the no-nonsense, decisive administration of Tango & Cash at the moment. Yes, it was somewhat chaotic from the outside, but no question the club progressed year-on-year until it was Premier League. I get the impression that Watford was managed in a similar way and they are now a sustainable PL side despite a few changes in management personnel.

The anti-alchemy mix of Fernandes, Bhatia, Sir Les and Gnamadamadingdong has been a catalogue of bollocks.

I say get rid of McClaren soonest and scout for another young progressive foreign manager like Luigi De Canio, then give him licence to loan emerging talent from abroad and 2-3 years to set the right culture and infrastructure within the club. Manage expectations on that basis.

Alternatively, wait for the short-term fix of Warnock - I fear we may need him to do for us what he did for Rotherham a few seasons back - then appoint the young foreigner.

Dickheads like McClaren are not the future of this club. If you appoint mediocre has-beens then you should expect mediocrity.
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Get a French, German or Spanish manager in who sits on a red bucket it’s the only way to be sure .

I say we take off and nuke the current lot from orbit only way to be sure

Give sir Les another job like in the club shop
Fill the club with legends But give the job of coach to a man from overseas ... ideally French as they know to play modern football
 
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Frome-Ranger said:
There's a lot of assumptions in there about board and backroom that you cant presumably back up with anything factual. It's fruitless talking about new managers after 3 games it ain't going to happen and if it does it just crystallizes the view that we are a basket case club. I'm not particularly enamoured if McLaren but I'm not willing to go into full meltdown mode yet (saving that for tuesday).
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I think one can safely make these asumptions about the administration of the club, Frome. Their track record speaks for itself. I have zero sympathy for the amount of money these clowns have stuck into the club and since written-off. As I’ve said a few times before, they’re a bunch of plucky amateurs at best.

Just consider what they’ve “achieved” in the past 6-7 years. Not even the first foot on the new stadium ladder. Not even the first foot on the new training ground ladder. Mark Hughes. Harry Redknapp. JFH. Steve McClaren. FFP. SLF. A list of hopeless signings and swan song pay-chequers. Not so much of a whiff of a proper infrastructure. Enforced austerity.

By the time Fernandes slopes back to his toy planes he’d have lost millions and we’ll be a struggling League One side celebrating home draws with Accrington Stanley and fearing Doncaster Away. The man and his team are oafs.

One thing I’ve learned in management is that you never look back and believe you dismissed somebody too soon. I’ve no idea what length contract McClaren is on - probably far longer than was wise - but he’s gotta go if we fail to pick up in th next 5 games.
 
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It’s 3 games not the end of the world (yet). Preston was never going to be easy and we almost nicked a draw Sheffield United we didn’t get anything because of poor refereeing decisions and did anyone think we’d get anything at WBA. The manner of defeat was extremely embarrassing and the players now need to step up and grow some balls and slowly things might change, need to give the new management time, are we doing anything different from last season apart from trying to play out from the back? Can’t change everything at once, I haven’t seen much change looks like same players same system just a lack of ideas and movement hopefully management can see this and are trying to change it, McClaren can only tell them what he wants them to do, if they don’t do it then that’s down to the players, now the game is over it’s McClaren’s job to put it right for Tuesday we need to give him time he’s inherited a young naive squad that desperately needs experience let’s see if we get anyone in over the next 2 weeks before we throw the towel in.
 
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When Ollie got sacked I was against it.

Ollie DID get us into a better position. It may not look like it based on our finishing place on the table but points wise we were better off than the season before. That was actual progress. We were watching more interesting matches than we had done at any point with the last 3 managers. There was actual progress. The whole club felt better.

The owners at QPR get funny ideas in their heads and make impulse choices. Simple as. They should have looked on that (albeit somewhat slow) progress, realised that stability would be an important factor and pushed on, perhaps bringing in some better coaching staff and players.

But no... the thinking is "let's take a complete gamble... we're making progress but I keep having dreams of being on Sky Sports in EPL every week and I don't want to wait!"
 
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