Off Topic The Politics Thread

[TheBigDipper]

Last year, the London Stock Exchange estimated that in excess of 200,000 jobs would be lost from the City as a result of Brexit.

This has now been revised down to between 5000 and 13000, may fall further and doesn't take into account the creation of jobs by a fully independent city.

So I'd say your buyer is just plum unlucky - but hey, he's going to have a whale of a time in Frankfurt. I believe there are some museums to see, and also, um, more museums...

Ho ho...

I will take no joy out of being right if developments prove my fears to be correct and we end up in the toilet when it seems predictable and could have been avoided. I predict that most Leave supporters will take no responsibility for it, either - especially the politicians who's job it is to avoid these things - blaming "saboteurs" and "the enemy within".

I want to be wrong and I want to be convinced my concerns are groundless, but no-one offers me anything other than the faith of zealots.

 

[Staines R's]

Last year, the London Stock Exchange estimated that in excess of 200,000 jobs would be lost from the City as a result of Brexit.

This has now been revised down to between 5000 and 13000, may fall further and doesn't take into account the creation of jobs by a fully independent city.

So I'd say your buyer is just plum unlucky - but hey, he's going to have a whale of a time in Frankfurt. I believe there are some museums to see, and also, um, more museums...

There is a really good red-light area in Frankfurt.....so I’ve been led to believe

 

[DT’s Socks]

So what is your point? My mate works in IT and he moved from Berkshire to the US?
We were told all the financial services were moving out of London to Frankfurt and it hasn't happened. All that has happened is companies are opening some offices in the EU due to Brexit. The worlds financial hub is London. People use it because it has a fab history and it is a trusted set up. Frankly, Frankfurt is a side show.
By the way, this is not from me but the finacial bloke on Sky News said London (city) is geared up for finacial services and they are the best at what they do. TBH we cant be that bad because the city is renound all over the World and sadly Frankfurt isn't. You could always put your money in the Deutsche Bank if you don't trust ours.

From my financial director

There are 751,000 people that work across the financial sector 363,000 direct financial workers this includes insurance 388,000 in service related professions

The number is so large and it is unnoticeable that the plug has been pulled

They are prepped for a move
This is factual

Over 61% of the sector are not from the U.K. anyway and the breakdown of people affected who are from Europe is around the 40% figure

The U.K. does not produce particularly good financial staff apparently most are Swiss German or French

I believe him and he doesn’t reckon 2 years after the Brexit date will be nearly enough time ... it’s on a knife edge

My company by the way is now directly owned by Advent International

Look them up you will **** yourself if you look at the figures . Their choice of currency in this part of the globe ... Euros as most expect the pound to fall

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

There is a really good red-light area in Frankfurt.....so I’ve been led to believe

There's a red light area in Rochdale too. Doesn't mean I want to live there!

 

[DT’s Socks]

My parent company Advent International brought us out from DHL as DHL didn’t like even the possibility of Brexit

We are a multi billion pound global leader in marketing solutions ... the largest in fact world wide: Every piece of paper from the U.K. government and the NHS for example comes from us ... chances are we print your wage slips
We own TSO
Every bank in the U.K. and the US we have offices within ... every one

Food and Beverages
Everything Coca Cola worldwide
Everything Heineken
The list is endless

My point after this
Advent buy up companies and then sell them for profit and just 300 people work for them

Hundreds of thousands jobs in their hands
We don’t even effect the balance sheet
They gave us all brilliant buy outs of our DHL pensions and got through loopholes of the rules like butter

Tiny examples companies Fat Face Poundland Vision Express all owned by Advent who will brush them away in a second without thought

So when we get told that they will not be dealing in £s but will change to Euros would that be a clue that something big maybe happening?

The company that pays me is far more powerful and influential than the U.K. government

 

[rangercol]

Yay! Interest rates go up the day after my new and final fixed rate mortgage starts! I win! Yay!

Cue all the whinging from those who over stretched themselves instead of allowing for this possibility.
When I was in my 20s, we always were aware that rates could/would go up.
Everyone, apart from savers obviously, have been spoilt by rates staying so low for so long.

 

[sb_73]

I'm quite happy to see people invest their legally-acquired money wherever they like. If that means investing abroad because they think the returns are higher than in the UK, then good luck to them. If they're MPs in the current parliament advising their clients to do so, and they have some limited access to the levers of power and what might happen, then I'm not so happy. I find the idea that MPs might advise people to take their money out of the UK because a policy those MPs are in favour of makes money abroad more secure or more valuable than if it stayed in the UK to be somewhat concerning. Isn't that bordering on a form of insider trading? To whit, Redwood supporting Brexit because he thinks it's a good idea for the country yet advising his clients that their money would be safer outside the UK. How does that work? Or do I have my facts wrong?

No debate from me on the principle of that. I’m not sure how much or little Redwood and Rees Mogg actually know either of business or the likely economic outcomes of what is going on. But they are both obviously hypocrites of the highest order. The sort of thing the media should be highlighting.........

 

[ELLERS]

You're in full Ostrich mode today, aren't you? Carry on!

I won't be putting my money into investments abroad. My name's not Redwood or Rees-Mogg. You? Still investing in this great country of ours? Apart from your property abroad, obviously...

Yes I will be investing into our great country and paying proper workers whom work hard for a living. I will also be modernizing my house in France because unlike some I fully understand how things work and I am not frightened of Brexit. In fact I am grabbing it with open arms!

 

[ELLERS]

If you have spare capital spread it around, as long as you have paid tax on it there is nothing dishonest in that from my perspective (unless you are advising others to do the opposite) just prudent, especially if you have a family. $ probably better than €, but I’m no financial advisor.

Sb I have been surprised at the amount of empty shops (closed shops) in France. I thought it was only the UK high street that was suffering

 

[ELLERS]

Last year, the London Stock Exchange estimated that in excess of 200,000 jobs would be lost from the City as a result of Brexit.

This has now been revised down to between 5000 and 13000, may fall further and doesn't take into account the creation of jobs by a fully independent city.

So I'd say your buyer is just plum unlucky - but hey, he's going to have a whale of a time in Frankfurt. I believe there are some museums to see, and also, um, more museums...

Classic!

 

[ELLERS]

I'm quite happy to see people invest their legally-acquired money wherever they like. If that means investing abroad because they think the returns are higher than in the UK, then good luck to them. If they're MPs in the current parliament advising their clients to do so, and they have some limited access to the levers of power and what might happen, then I'm not so happy. I find the idea that MPs might advise people to take their money out of the UK because a policy those MPs are in favour of makes money abroad more secure or more valuable than if it stayed in the UK to be somewhat concerning. Isn't that bordering on a form of insider trading? To whit, Redwood supporting Brexit because he thinks it's a good idea for the country yet advising his clients that their money would be safer outside the UK. How does that work? Or do I have my facts wrong?

Oh god it's Redwood's and Mogg's turn now.. Who next?.

 

[DT’s Socks]

Winsdom I believe holds two contradictory truths inside our nuts

Hope and Despair

A life of despair has no hope

So to all Brexiteers I applaud the passion of hope but I honestly believe some of the despair is manufactured by forces greater than we can deal with .... global business

 

[ELLERS]

There is a really good red-light area in Frankfurt.....so I’ve been led to believe

Funnily Staines after all the posts I got regarding the 'City', Goldie just trumped it and put the argument to bed. I guess they will have to come up with another project fear example now.

This is also interesting:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ern-ireland-border-uk-eu-latest-brexit-update

 

[DT’s Socks]

Classic!

Well the figure would in fact be higher than that as it was based on the current number of people from outside the U.K in current the EU who travel unrestricted to the U.K.for work .

People commute weekly in from all over Europe to the worlds centre of finance

If that is at risk it perfectly reasonable to issue a statement like that

Where is the solution from the Brexiteers on such a fundenmental issue

Would it be bollocks to them ?
They earn too much anyway ?
Bankers all go to jail ?
We do not have the home grown financial talent to replace them

The risk of the city of London losing its status at the number relies on keeping the EU talent coming in hence why it’s mentioned in the chequers white paper I believe it’s the most important thing in all of this debate

And the same time I would love to see it fall
But it will exist somewhere
If it goes to the EU then the EU wins and gets incredibly much stronger hence why I will never buy into any theories that the EU is doomed . It is far from that imo

 

[DT’s Socks]

Funnily Staines after all the posts I got regarding the 'City', Goldie just trumped it and put the argument to bed. I guess they will have to come up with another project fear example now.

This is also interesting:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ern-ireland-border-uk-eu-latest-brexit-update

Ireland could become a very powerful country in which case

 

[sb_73]

Winsdom I believe holds two contradictory truths inside our nurs

Hope and Despair

A life of despair has no hope

So to all Brexiteers I applaud the passion of hope but I honestly believe some of the despair is manufactured by forces greater than we can deal with .... global business

You want to read some Camus (a fine Frenchman, or French Algerian) to get the lowdown on hope and despair. Short version, there is no hope, but that’s no reason to despair, they are not opposites. Once you recognise this you are free. Nowt to do with Brexit though, and a gross misrepresentation of absurdism by me.

Sb I have been surprised at the amount of empty shops (closed shops) in France. I thought it was only the UK high street that was suffering

I was in Paris a couple of weeks ago, which seemed pretty busy, but I am really not as familiar with France as I am with Italy, Spain and Germany. And the US. Of those places in terms of retail the US seems in worse shape, though Italy is not so hot either, in certain areas. One of the things I love about European towns (nothing to do with the EU) is all the small independent shops which don’t have their front wall replaced with plate glass. The chains have ruined the architecture and feel of many an English town and their ubiquity makes everywhere feel the same. Everyday I walk in Leamington Spa, a place I have grown to love, and have to remind myself to look up at the Regency architecture which at ground level has been replaced by acres of shiny glass. But it does have one street, Regent Street, where the trend has been bucked, lots of independent shops including butchers and bakers, and restaurants in a setting you can imagine hasn’t changed that much for my lifetime. A whole 28 years (ahem)!

I really should spend a bit of time just drifting around France, especially as my wife is fluent in the lingo, used to live in Lyons and has a degree in it. It’s a big place and very beautiful. I love landscapes which are naturally beautiful but have clearly been shaped by human activity over centuries. Like the Cotswolds or Yorkshire Dales, Tuscany/Umbria, bits of the Rhine valley. I’m sure France is stuffed with them.

 

[sb_73]

Cue all the whinging from those who over stretched themselves instead of allowing for this possibility.
When I was in my 20s, we always were aware that rates could/would go up.
Everyone, apart from savers obviously, have been spoilt by rates staying so low for so long.

In fairness Col, the lenders probably encouraged people to over stretch themselves, but ultimately everyone has to take responsibility for their choices. I remember paying 7% on a mortgage which was a massive part of our income in the early nineties, and then the horrible realisation that endowments were useless and having to change the strategy entirely a few years later.

I just hope the credit firms and mortgage lenders don’t use this and the future increases which will actually be a sign of a stronger economy to screw borrowers, and that they pass it on to the savers.

 

[ELLERS]

I was in Paris a couple of weeks ago, which seemed pretty busy, but I am really not as familiar with France as I am with Italy, Spain and Germany. And the US. Of those places in terms of retail the US seems in worse shape, though Italy is not so hot either, in certain areas. One of the things I love about European towns (nothing to do with the EU) is all the small independent shops which don’t have their front wall replaced with plate glass. The chains have ruined the architecture and feel of many an English town and their ubiquity makes everywhere feel the same. Everyday I walk in Leamington Spa, a place I have grown to love, and have to remind myself to look up at the Regency architecture which at ground level has been replaced by acres of shiny glass. But it does have one street, Regent Street, where the trend has been bucked, lots of independent shops including butchers and bakers, and restaurants in a setting you can imagine hasn’t changed that much for my lifetime. A whole 28 years (ahem)!

I really should spend a bit of time just drifting around France, especially as my wife is fluent in the lingo, used to live in Lyons and has a degree in it. It’s a big place and very beautiful. I love landscapes which are naturally beautiful but have clearly been shaped by human activity over centuries. Like the Cotswolds or Yorkshire Dales, Tuscany/Umbria, bits of the Rhine valley. I’m sure France is stuffed with them.

Firstly good post. I am not trying to say anything other than I have seen many empty shops. Also, I agree with your comments regarding the facade of buildings. It also annoys me that in the UK we seem to knock down some great old buildings in favour of soulless glass buildings.
There are some fab places in France and I enjoy my holidays here. At the moment I am in the Cote D'Azur And apart from this bloody heat I am having a fab time. I also love my holidays in the UK and will be planning a winter break to Devon.
Whatever the outcome of Brexit I am sure I will still enjoy my trips to France Italy and Germany.

 

[ELLERS]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-proposals-threaten-future-of-eu-says-barnier

Oh s@@t! I have just heard May is meeting Macron and heading to where I am!
I hope I don't bump into her while I am swimming in the Med.

 

[DT’s Socks]

You want to read some Camus (a fine Frenchman, or French Algerian) to get the lowdown on hope and despair. Short version, there is no hope, but that’s no reason to despair, they are not opposites. Once you recognise this you are free. Nowt to do with Brexit though, and a gross misrepresentation of absurdism by me.


I was in Paris a couple of weeks ago, which seemed pretty busy, but I am really not as familiar with France as I am with Italy, Spain and Germany. And the US. Of those places in terms of retail the US seems in worse shape, though Italy is not so hot either, in certain areas. One of the things I love about European towns (nothing to do with the EU) is all the small independent shops which don’t have their front wall replaced with plate glass. The chains have ruined the architecture and feel of many an English town and their ubiquity makes everywhere feel the same. Everyday I walk in Leamington Spa, a place I have grown to love, and have to remind myself to look up at the Regency architecture which at ground level has been replaced by acres of shiny glass. But it does have one street, Regent Street, where the trend has been bucked, lots of independent shops including butchers and bakers, and restaurants in a setting you can imagine hasn’t changed that much for my lifetime. A whole 28 years (ahem)!

I really should spend a bit of time just drifting around France, especially as my wife is fluent in the lingo, used to live in Lyons and has a degree in it. It’s a big place and very beautiful. I love landscapes which are naturally beautiful but have clearly been shaped by human activity over centuries. Like the Cotswolds or Yorkshire Dales, Tuscany/Umbria, bits of the Rhine valley. I’m sure France is stuffed with them

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-proposals-threaten-future-of-eu-says-barnier

Oh s@@t! I have just heard May is meeting Macron and heading to where I am!
I hope I don't bump into her while I am swimming in the Med.

It is unusual to hold business meeting in the sea