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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. TheBigDipper

    TheBigDipper Well-Known Member

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    Ho ho... :emoticon-0107-sweat

    I will take no joy out of being right if developments prove my fears to be correct and we end up in the toilet when it seems predictable and could have been avoided. I predict that most Leave supporters will take no responsibility for it, either - especially the politicians who's job it is to avoid these things - blaming "saboteurs" and "the enemy within".

    I want to be wrong and I want to be convinced my concerns are groundless, but no-one offers me anything other than the faith of zealots.
     
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    There is a really good red-light area in Frankfurt.....so I’ve been led to believe :)
     
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  3. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    From my financial director

    There are 751,000 people that work across the financial sector 363,000 direct financial workers this includes insurance 388,000 in service related professions

    The number is so large and it is unnoticeable that the plug has been pulled

    They are prepped for a move
    This is factual

    Over 61% of the sector are not from the U.K. anyway and the breakdown of people affected who are from Europe is around the 40% figure

    The U.K. does not produce particularly good financial staff apparently most are Swiss German or French

    I believe him and he doesn’t reckon 2 years after the Brexit date will be nearly enough time ... it’s on a knife edge

    My company by the way is now directly owned by Advent International

    Look them up you will **** yourself if you look at the figures . Their choice of currency in this part of the globe ... Euros as most expect the pound to fall
     
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  4. Goldhawk-Road

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    There's a red light area in Rochdale too. Doesn't mean I want to live there!
     
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  5. DT’s Socks

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    My parent company Advent International brought us out from DHL as DHL didn’t like even the possibility of Brexit

    We are a multi billion pound global leader in marketing solutions ... the largest in fact world wide: Every piece of paper from the U.K. government and the NHS for example comes from us ... chances are we print your wage slips
    We own TSO
    Every bank in the U.K. and the US we have offices within ... every one

    Food and Beverages
    Everything Coca Cola worldwide
    Everything Heineken
    The list is endless

    My point after this
    Advent buy up companies and then sell them for profit and just 300 people work for them

    Hundreds of thousands jobs in their hands
    We don’t even effect the balance sheet
    They gave us all brilliant buy outs of our DHL pensions and got through loopholes of the rules like butter

    Tiny examples companies Fat Face Poundland Vision Express all owned by Advent who will brush them away in a second without thought

    So when we get told that they will not be dealing in £s but will change to Euros would that be a clue that something big maybe happening?

    The company that pays me is far more powerful and influential than the U.K. government
     
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  6. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Cue all the whinging from those who over stretched themselves instead of allowing for this possibility.
    When I was in my 20s, we always were aware that rates could/would go up.
    Everyone, apart from savers obviously, have been spoilt by rates staying so low for so long.
     
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    No debate from me on the principle of that. I’m not sure how much or little Redwood and Rees Mogg actually know either of business or the likely economic outcomes of what is going on. But they are both obviously hypocrites of the highest order. The sort of thing the media should be highlighting.........
     
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  8. ELLERS

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    Yes I will be investing into our great country and paying proper workers whom work hard for a living. I will also be modernizing my house in France because unlike some I fully understand how things work and I am not frightened of Brexit. In fact I am grabbing it with open arms!
     
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    Sb I have been surprised at the amount of empty shops (closed shops) in France. I thought it was only the UK high street that was suffering
     
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    <laugh> Classic!
     
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    Oh god <doh> it's Redwood's and Mogg's turn now.. Who next?.
     
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  12. DT’s Socks

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    Winsdom I believe holds two contradictory truths inside our nuts

    Hope and Despair

    A life of despair has no hope

    So to all Brexiteers I applaud the passion of hope but I honestly believe some of the despair is manufactured by forces greater than we can deal with .... global business
     
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  14. DT’s Socks

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    Well the figure would in fact be higher than that as it was based on the current number of people from outside the U.K in current the EU who travel unrestricted to the U.K.for work .

    People commute weekly in from all over Europe to the worlds centre of finance

    If that is at risk it perfectly reasonable to issue a statement like that

    Where is the solution from the Brexiteers on such a fundenmental issue

    Would it be bollocks to them ?
    They earn too much anyway ?
    Bankers all go to jail ?
    We do not have the home grown financial talent to replace them

    The risk of the city of London losing its status at the number relies on keeping the EU talent coming in hence why it’s mentioned in the chequers white paper I believe it’s the most important thing in all of this debate

    And the same time I would love to see it fall
    But it will exist somewhere
    If it goes to the EU then the EU wins and gets incredibly much stronger hence why I will never buy into any theories that the EU is doomed . It is far from that imo
     
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    You want to read some Camus (a fine Frenchman, or French Algerian) to get the lowdown on hope and despair. Short version, there is no hope, but that’s no reason to despair, they are not opposites. Once you recognise this you are free. Nowt to do with Brexit though, and a gross misrepresentation of absurdism by me.

    I was in Paris a couple of weeks ago, which seemed pretty busy, but I am really not as familiar with France as I am with Italy, Spain and Germany. And the US. Of those places in terms of retail the US seems in worse shape, though Italy is not so hot either, in certain areas. One of the things I love about European towns (nothing to do with the EU) is all the small independent shops which don’t have their front wall replaced with plate glass. The chains have ruined the architecture and feel of many an English town and their ubiquity makes everywhere feel the same. Everyday I walk in Leamington Spa, a place I have grown to love, and have to remind myself to look up at the Regency architecture which at ground level has been replaced by acres of shiny glass. But it does have one street, Regent Street, where the trend has been bucked, lots of independent shops including butchers and bakers, and restaurants in a setting you can imagine hasn’t changed that much for my lifetime. A whole 28 years (ahem)!

    I really should spend a bit of time just drifting around France, especially as my wife is fluent in the lingo, used to live in Lyons and has a degree in it. It’s a big place and very beautiful. I love landscapes which are naturally beautiful but have clearly been shaped by human activity over centuries. Like the Cotswolds or Yorkshire Dales, Tuscany/Umbria, bits of the Rhine valley. I’m sure France is stuffed with them.
     
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    In fairness Col, the lenders probably encouraged people to over stretch themselves, but ultimately everyone has to take responsibility for their choices. I remember paying 7% on a mortgage which was a massive part of our income in the early nineties, and then the horrible realisation that endowments were useless and having to change the strategy entirely a few years later.

    I just hope the credit firms and mortgage lenders don’t use this and the future increases which will actually be a sign of a stronger economy to screw borrowers, and that they pass it on to the savers.
     
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    Firstly good post. I am not trying to say anything other than I have seen many empty shops. Also, I agree with your comments regarding the facade of buildings. It also annoys me that in the UK we seem to knock down some great old buildings in favour of soulless glass buildings.
    There are some fab places in France and I enjoy my holidays here. At the moment I am in the Cote D'Azur And apart from this bloody heat I am having a fab time. I also love my holidays in the UK and will be planning a winter break to Devon.
    Whatever the outcome of Brexit I am sure I will still enjoy my trips to France Italy and Germany.
     
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