Why don’t you read it and then tear it apart.....seems like a well written piece to me.
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Why don’t you read it and then tear it apart.....seems like a well written piece to me.
Wouldn’t have tagged Kiwi as an anarchist-syndicalist though. You live and learn.Sounds good to me
Well yes, but you should have a look at some of the views these people, and this author, put out there. He has said that racist chanting at football is a legitimate expression of working class rage, and urged victims of Jimmy Saville et al to ‘leave it firmly in their past’.You just knew I’d like it though, didn’t you
Nobody, least of all me, is right or wrong 100% of the time, but you can get a sense of people from what they say in public fora and this bloke (though I have no idea what he actually believes, he’s just playing to a rather special audience) gives me the creeps.*
I have to say though, of all the leavers who post on here only you and Col have a coherent ideological position which I can at least understand and respect, even if I don’t agree with it. Not, of course, that your ideological positions are the same in any sense. And Col would assume that I’m patronising him just by writing that.
* just to put one of the things he claims into context, no one is threatening to withhold medicines from the UK. It’s a logistical thing, the medicines are quality checked in the EU, which won’t be valid in the UK after a no deal, and the logistics of getting through ports and customs could be (just could, not definitely will) rather challenging for shelf life specific products which require temperature controlled transport. My company is one of the few that makes insulin, it’s complicated and expensive, and for Europe we make it in Italy. Not a single drop of it is made, by anyone, in the UK. It’s certainly in our interests to keep supplies flowing, we make money out of it. Plus, it may amaze you to learn, we have a commitment to patients to uphold. But at the moment we have no idea of what extra barriers, if any, we will have to get over to get the medicines into the UK come April 1st next year. Take this twats advice and we’ll just pretend nothing will happen and hope for the best.
Bet you carry insulin and glucagon in the van. Same story for glucagon, though that is a bit less complicated.
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Life is too short to read yet another essay from a Leaver just quoting buzz phrases with their head in the sand.
I would say all of us in different ways don’t think the U.K. is the same as it was
How we all get to that actual fact and come to terms with it are the differences
Change is good and I would have voted leave if I ignored how modern businesses work. If I seriously thought there was a way to change the current U.K. culture ... it’s journey to today is the thing I feel most depressed about.
I should be I’m alright Jack as I have an out
That doesn’t make things right
How we all get to that actual fact and come to terms with it are the differences
Change is good and I would have voted leave if I ignored how modern businesses work. If I seriously thought there was a way to change the current U.K. culture ... it’s journey to today is the thing I feel most depressed about.
I should be I’m alright Jack as I have an out
That doesn’t make things right
Not if we do a deal. But the things being badged as ‘fear mongering’ or at least some of them, might be sensible precautions until we have clarity, especially for life maintaining medicines that we don’t make here. You can store unopened insulin for a long time. But no one has asked us, as far as I know, to make extra so the UK can stock up and I’m not sure we could even if we wanted to, without denying supplies to other countries. It’s ****ing complicated mate, and you have no idea (or you might) how long and intricate the supply chain from manufacturer to patient. Nothing goes direct from us to a patient, ever.
I would hope that even the worst scenario would be temporary though.
Yes, no idea where it comes from though, probably Puerto Rico. I should imagine nearly all of your medicines are imported. NZ likes cheap medicines, so you don’t get the most up to date stuff.
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I totally get the precautions bit, as we would be silly not to. But surely you must admit, a lot of the things that are being reported as ‘MIGHT’ happen can be classed as scaremongering.
Possibly, in the way that they are being presented to the public by the media. But I note that in many cases the criticism is that it’s ‘scaremongering’ rather than an evidence based rebuttal, to explain exactly why x won’t happen.
Going to walk the dog now, but this is quite an interesting discussion, and for once without ill feeling, so I’ll be back.
Lord Mandelson: Brexiteers are nationalists who hate foreigners, not patriots like me
Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
30 July 2018 • 7:06pm
Brexiteers are "nationalists" who "hate foreigners" and are not "patriots" like those campaigning for a second referendum, Lord Mandelson has said.
The former Labour Cabinet minister and European trade commissioner described leading Eurosceptics as "Brextremists".
Lord Mandelson claimed that the Eurosceptic backlash against the Prime Minister's Chequer's compromise proved the need for a second referendum.
He told LBC Radio: "Patriotism is love of your country. Wanting to stand up for your country, wanting to serve the best interests of your country.
"Nationalism, on the other hand, is a hatred of foreigners - and that's what they are.
Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
30 July 2018 • 7:06pm
Brexiteers are "nationalists" who "hate foreigners" and are not "patriots" like those campaigning for a second referendum, Lord Mandelson has said.
The former Labour Cabinet minister and European trade commissioner described leading Eurosceptics as "Brextremists".
Lord Mandelson claimed that the Eurosceptic backlash against the Prime Minister's Chequer's compromise proved the need for a second referendum.
He told LBC Radio: "Patriotism is love of your country. Wanting to stand up for your country, wanting to serve the best interests of your country.
"Nationalism, on the other hand, is a hatred of foreigners - and that's what they are.
I worked for years in the pharmaceutical industry in the solid dose generic sector
It’s how I got into design designing the patient packs ... remember all tablets used to come in amber bottles ?
So I still have friends who work for Teva
The drugs in all forms are manufactured in Hungary and packed in the U.K. at Eastbourne
Capsules Tablets and Vials for the U.K. and Irish markets
So Supply Chains which are run on a knife edge by the way as most are. I was married to the European Supply Chain manager for Teva so I have picked a lot
So just in this example
The bulk product all with varying shelf lives are shipped every day from Hungary 24/7
A traffic jam really makes a difference here as the friability, disintegration and in some cases the sustain release are effected . Solid dose and capsules have to be packed into blister packs ASAP or batches are rejected
Big money
The generic market SB will confirm is cut throat with low margins
So markets have to supplied with critical time scales or the pharmacy’s reject them
A recall is disaster all round
I haven’t touched on QC protocol
It’s complex so open borders are critical
I believe Teva U.K. may well exit the U.K. market all together and focus just on Europe
Of course the European Medicines lot in Canary Wharf are already gone more or less as I have friends there ... Amsterdam I think
Two years after Brexit isn’t anywhere near enough time to set up border controls for pharmaceuticals
What standards exactly the U.K. suddenly invent to control , regulate monitor and test the movement of pharmaceutical products
SB will also confirm that this madness is even worse if we start talking animal pharmaceutical products which is even a larger market
High Street stores that bring OTT medicines wont have product to sell
Shelf lives for many product s are nearly all pushed to the limit in terms of accelerated stability testing so that maximise production to the shelf times . Formulations and methods to try and extend this would mean new licenses in fact new products which is impossible for the generic markets as they have to follow strict manufacturing rules
So Anglo Saxons unite by shouting bollocks no deal ... just leave etc
Who is going to make and supply the UK’s medicine demand
Hope this gives everyone a headache and if so drink some water and rub it better
Anti depressants the nation eats them like sweets at the moment as everyone is bi polar or has an unique new syndrome
Half of me feels like a Wigwam the other half like a Marquee. I think i’m Too Tense
It’s how I got into design designing the patient packs ... remember all tablets used to come in amber bottles ?
So I still have friends who work for Teva
The drugs in all forms are manufactured in Hungary and packed in the U.K. at Eastbourne
Capsules Tablets and Vials for the U.K. and Irish markets
So Supply Chains which are run on a knife edge by the way as most are. I was married to the European Supply Chain manager for Teva so I have picked a lot
So just in this example
The bulk product all with varying shelf lives are shipped every day from Hungary 24/7
A traffic jam really makes a difference here as the friability, disintegration and in some cases the sustain release are effected . Solid dose and capsules have to be packed into blister packs ASAP or batches are rejected
Big money
The generic market SB will confirm is cut throat with low margins
So markets have to supplied with critical time scales or the pharmacy’s reject them
A recall is disaster all round
I haven’t touched on QC protocol
It’s complex so open borders are critical
I believe Teva U.K. may well exit the U.K. market all together and focus just on Europe
Of course the European Medicines lot in Canary Wharf are already gone more or less as I have friends there ... Amsterdam I think
Two years after Brexit isn’t anywhere near enough time to set up border controls for pharmaceuticals
What standards exactly the U.K. suddenly invent to control , regulate monitor and test the movement of pharmaceutical products
SB will also confirm that this madness is even worse if we start talking animal pharmaceutical products which is even a larger market
High Street stores that bring OTT medicines wont have product to sell
Shelf lives for many product s are nearly all pushed to the limit in terms of accelerated stability testing so that maximise production to the shelf times . Formulations and methods to try and extend this would mean new licenses in fact new products which is impossible for the generic markets as they have to follow strict manufacturing rules
So Anglo Saxons unite by shouting bollocks no deal ... just leave etc
Who is going to make and supply the UK’s medicine demand
Hope this gives everyone a headache and if so drink some water and rub it better
Anti depressants the nation eats them like sweets at the moment as everyone is bi polar or has an unique new syndrome
Half of me feels like a Wigwam the other half like a Marquee. I think i’m Too Tense
if we can get our almost out of date stuff from puerto rico what barriers will be put in place to stop the uk getting its stuff from italy
and who will be putting the barriers up
Well you clearly know something about this subject which disqualifies you from having an opinion on it. ****ing experts.
Pharmaceuticals is an excellent example of what globalisation actually means. Doesn’t mean the way it works is good, or even particularly efficient, but try to unravel it and **** knows what the consequences will be. The way it works wasn’t planned, it just evolved over decades. Organic things are much harder to redesign than mechanical ones.
I meant that the way your system works means you don’t get the newest drugs until quite a lot later. The use by dates will be fine.
As I said above the barriers for the UK will be logistics and lack of regulatory infrastructure. In the event of a no deal crash out. It will be sorted eventually, but might be a few dodgy months we need planning for. Then multiply by all the other sectors in a similar position.
Left the business years ago shortly after the U.K. GP bribery scandal that was the last straw for me. We used to send GP electronic goods and on holidays just so they would chose APS Teva generic prescription drugs
By all accounts that never stopped it went underground.
Having a shortage of any drug means what? Higher prices every time
The NHS will need to buy in from Asia and the European giants that make the actives or control the patents of the actives will **** the whole thing up. I don’t know about your experience with Asias quality control but mime was not good . Never mind the actives just think about the excipients change one means years of work and a licence review ... we are not talking buy your tomatoes from Tesco and then decide you want to change to Adams Farm