Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Stroller]

Why? I’m not talking about the Labour Party, I’m reflecting on serious left wing parties elsewhere
Socially conservative - there is a weird moralism about them, not great on stuff like LGBT rights. The great liberal reforms of the sixties under Labour were definitively centrist
Managed economy - goes without saying, that is socialism
Pro Brexit - unless the EU is a socialist enterprise, of course. Membership precludes proper socialism in any member states

I would say the features of a serious left-wing alternative could be:

Socially liberal (I don't buy your categorisation)
Mixed economy (a fully managed economy is communism)
Anti-Brexit (from a geo-political perspective - membership doesn't preclude state ownership)

 

[sb_73]

I would say the features of a serious left-wing alternative could be:

Socially liberal (I don't buy your categorisation)
Mixed economy (a fully managed economy is communism)
Anti-Brexit (from a geo-political perspective - membership doesn't preclude state ownership)

So identical to a centrist party?

 

[Stroller]

So identical to a centrist party?

Well no, it's all about gradations. The labels have become meaningless.

 

[Stroller]

Good news. The traitor Rees-Mogg reckons that it might only take 50 years to feel the benefits of Brexit.

Meanwhile, according to YouGov, 70% of 18-24 year-olds are anti-Brexit, whilst 65% of over-65s are in favour.

So these bastards - who will snuff it soon anyway - are condemning my children (and theirs), against their will, to a less prosperous future in the spurious notion that Britain can become 'great' again in 50 years time.

Sorry, but this stuff makes me ****ing angry.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Good news. The traitor Rees-Mogg reckons that it might only take 50 years to feel the benefits of Brexit.

Meanwhile, according to YouGov, 70% of 18-24 year-olds are anti-Brexit, whilst 65% of over-65s are in favour.

So these bastards - who will snuff it soon anyway - are condemning my children (and theirs), against their will, to a less prosperous future in the spurious notion that Britain can become 'great' again in 50 years time.

Sorry, but this stuff makes me ****ing angry.

Yeah but what’s the EU ever done for them?

The boomer generation are the ultimate snowflakes.

 

[Frome-Ranger]

Good news. The traitor Rees-Mogg reckons that it might only take 50 years to feel the benefits of Brexit.

Meanwhile, according to YouGov, 70% of 18-24 year-olds are anti-Brexit, whilst 65% of over-65s are in favour.

So these bastards - who will snuff it soon anyway - are condemning my children (and theirs), against their will, to a less prosperous future in the spurious notion that Britain can become 'great' again in 50 years time.

Sorry, but this stuff makes me ****ing angry.

This is why morally I think there is case for another meaningful vote.

 

[Staines R's]

This is why morally I think there is case for another meaningful vote.

Politics and morals rarely go together mate.

 

[Frome-Ranger]

Politics and morals rarely go together mate.

True.

 

[rangercol]

This is why morally I think there is case for another meaningful vote.

Till you get the result you want eh?
If there is another vote there is little doubt in my mind that remain would win.
This is simply because most of the public are totally sick of the whole thing and are so angry with the inept way May and the government have handled things since the vote to leave.

The EU don't want any of their underling states to escape their tentacles, which is why they make it so very difficult to leave.

As for economic forecasts for up to 50 years hence, ffs, how often have ANY econimists ever got a prediction correct for a year's time?
No one can know how things will be, or be effected by world events in the future.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Good news. The traitor Rees-Mogg reckons that it might only take 50 years to feel the benefits of Brexit.

Meanwhile, according to YouGov, 70% of 18-24 year-olds are anti-Brexit, whilst 65% of over-65s are in favour.

So these bastards - who will snuff it soon anyway - are condemning my children (and theirs), against their will, to a less prosperous future in the spurious notion that Britain can become 'great' again in 50 years time.

Sorry, but this stuff makes me ****ing angry.

It would be somewhat extraordinary if we were to prohibit the older generation from voting on certain topics just because they’ll be dead soon though, Strolls.

 

[rangercol]

Good news. The traitor Rees-Mogg reckons that it might only take 50 years to feel the benefits of Brexit.

Meanwhile, according to YouGov, 70% of 18-24 year-olds are anti-Brexit, whilst 65% of over-65s are in favour.

So these bastards - who will snuff it soon anyway - are condemning my children (and theirs), against their will, to a less prosperous future in the spurious notion that Britain can become 'great' again in 50 years time.

Sorry, but this stuff makes me ****ing angry.

Ridiculous stuff that Strolls.

 

[BobbyD]

It would be somewhat extraordinary if we were to prohibit the older generation from voting on certain topics just because they’ll be dead soon though, Strolls.

What have old people ever done for us

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

It would be somewhat extraordinary if we were to prohibit the older generation from voting on certain topics just because they’ll be dead soon though, Strolls.

Ridiculous stuff that Strolls.

No one is saying they should be denied a say. Just that it’s a bit rich (or poor?) that the boomer generation effectively decide referendums and elections having taken full advantage of their £50 houses and long, lucrative pensions. It’s very easy to make a risky decision if you aren’t the one at risk.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

What have old people ever done for us

They were the kids of those who won the war you know.

 

[BobbyD]

Ridiculous stuff that Strolls.

I quite liked Moggy, think he's articulate and well thought out.

However, i have seen some stuff floating around which has shown he's just out for himself and my opinion has changed quite strongly somewhat.

For someone who wants us to leave, has convinced the public we'll be better off, i'm astounded to learn recently he's got loads of funds offshore and that he's now recently got his investment company to setup a new base in Ireland so it's part of EU and in preparation for brexit.

 

[bobmid]

I quite liked Moggy, think he's articulate and well thought out.

However, i have seen some stuff floating around which has shown he's just out for himself and my opinion has changed quite strongly somewhat.

For someone who wants us to leave, has convinced the public we'll be better off, i'm astounded to learn recently he's got loads of funds offshore and that he's now recently got his investment company to setup a new base in Ireland so it's part of EU and in preparation for brexit.

Cos he's a snake mate, out to line his own pockets. He has no interest apart from his own.

 

[sb_73]

No one is saying they should be denied a say. Just that it’s a bit rich (or poor?) that the boomer generation effectively decide referendums and elections having taken full advantage of their £50 houses and long, lucrative pensions. It’s very easy to make a risky decision if you aren’t the one at risk.

Tough titty. I am delighted to be a member of the richest, most privileged generation ever. It’s ****ing great. My kids can play with what’s left after I’m gone. But not before. We may have ****ed a few things up, like the planet, the financial system, society as a whole etc, but we tried our best, honest, and I’m certainly not going to start feeling guilty about having a good time. Most of us had to put a little bit of work in, it didn’t all fall into our laps. And at least you youngsters have something to aspire to.

Though there is a lot to be discussed about people with little or no skin in the game making decisions for those who have everything to lose. Nassim Taleb, a former futures options trader, has written a book about it (I've read reviews, not the book) arguing just your point, and that people with skin in the game make better decisions. Certainly by the time you get to big decision making positions in politics or business it’s your reputation on the line rather than your future, you are already wealthy. Cameron made a series of disastrous decisions yet he seems quite happy and hasn’t been seen down the food bank. Even Corbyn could be kicked out tomorrow and live very comfortably on his MPs pension.

 

[rangercol]

No one is saying they should be denied a say. Just that it’s a bit rich (or poor?) that the boomer generation effectively decide referendums and elections having taken full advantage of their £50 houses and long, lucrative pensions. It’s very easy to make a risky decision if you aren’t the one at risk.

It's not the older generations fault that the younger generation were too busy sleeping or moaning about everything to be arsed to vote.

 

[sb_73]

Cos he's a snake mate, out to line his own pockets. He has no interest apart from his own.

Careful now. He’s on a mission from God and has Papal Dispensation for any and all sins committed in its pursuit.

 

[sb_73]

It's not the older generations fault that the younger generation were too busy sleeping or moaning about everything to be arsed to vote.

Did your (eligible) kids vote Col? The 50% of my offspring that could, did. And he works far harder than I did at his age, I’m amazed he doesn’t collapse. And I’m sure your lads put a proper shift in too. Let’s not over generalise now.