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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
I get your point, but just to be clear you are making a distinction between what parents with inherited wealth do for their kids and what parents who have generated their own wealth do? Of course parents (however wealthy or otherwise) do everything they can to give their children an unearned leg up now, beyond breeding itself it’s just about the most primal instinct that there is, even stronger than the community instinct.

Not directed at you, but I find it really interesting the emotions that this topic raises, essentially about ‘fairness’. But nothing is ‘fair’ now, and we do little or nothing about it. I think it’s the science aspect that does it.
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I didn't put it very well. Of course most parents, wealthy or not (or however they acquired their wealth), will do anything they legally can for their children. My point was indeed about fairness, and was pointing at the unfairness of those who will inherit wealth from their parents also potentially being endowed enhanced intelligence.

West London Willy said:
What you're describing, in essence, is the US Health System writ large. We already see a very definite two-tier health experience over there, where if you're wealthy or have a good job, you can basically get what you need when you need it, but you also have others who can't afford to even fill a prescription. And yes - people are dying over there for lack of the price of a generic prescription drug.

When you start offering choices, the rich and the poor get further apart.

The ONLY way that this could be prevented - even for a short while - is to ban any private medical procedures relating to gene manipulation, and make it available only though the NHS or similar. Paid for by everyone through taxes, and available to everyone. And we all know how likely that is...
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This.
 
TheBigDipper said:
When I look at the suggested process, there's a sense of inevitability about the result for me.

Using a second choice vote:
'No Deal' voters won't pick 'Stay In' as a second choice. 'Stay In' voters won't pick 'No Deal'. I can't see many 'Mays Option' voters picking 'No Deal' as a second choice, either.

But I prove I'm out of touch with lots of peoples views on a daily basis, so what do I know?
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You raise a fair point... it seems silly to have a second choice vote.
 
Interesting our original vote mirrored the referendum result almost exactly. I suspect the same would be true if there really was another vote. I think if it comes down to 'No Deal' being the only Brexit likely to happen then morally there should be an obligation to go to the public again and ask if that's really what we want.
 
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David Rose said:
Are you saying in the US if you're taken to a hospital with life threatening problems they won't treat you till you pay?
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Yes. They won’t treat you if the Medical centre isn’t in your insurers coverage area. They won’t treat you if you have a pre existing condition, often even unrelated to your emergency. They will stop treating you if your insurance limit is met. And they bill you for EVERYTHING. Often you get given a price list before they give you any treatment.
 
NHS is free at the point of delivery for all. That’s what every developed country in the world has - except the US.

They wouldn’t leave you at the side of the road, but they wouldn’t give you anything but life saving treatment until they got your insurance details. If no insurance, they would need you or a relative to sort payment, and would withhold any non-life sustaining treatment until that was sorted.
 
Remainers have been plotting to stop brexit since we voted to leave.
Another referendum is just another way of trying to stop what was voted for by nearly 17.5 people.
I hope we just walk away now.
 
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bobmid said:
Are you/do you think you are getting what you voted for?
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No not yet.
Bob, please don't think of me as some right-wing fascist that wants to live in some insular Nationalist state because you couldn't be more wrong. I actually care a great deal about jobs and communities. I don't want to see us fail as a nation. I want the best for the country but my own readings, studies tell me that the EU is not what it should be and we are better off out. Agree there will be a lot of change and we would take a hit. TBH even if we went WTO we would just get a knock and we would bounce back.
 
17 million voted to stay. Disregarding their views is hardly democratic. If it must happen, a ‘soft’ exit is surly the most democratic way. That is, if you’re really concerned about democracy...
 
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Don't you have to pay for medical care in France? Thought they had like a halfway house?

Also you have to pay for prescriptions from the NHS (very cheaply though, is it free for low tax payers?)
 
BobbyD said:
Don't you have to pay for medical care in France? Thought they had like a halfway house?

Also you have to pay for prescriptions from the NHS (very cheaply though, is it free for low tax payers?)
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That is correct you do pay in France. I believe ( I maybe wrongish) but I thought my friend paid 70% of the bill or it might have been 30%. I was drunk when he told me.
 
rangercol said:
Remainers have been plotting to stop brexit since we voted to leave.
Another referendum is just another way of trying to stop what was voted for by nearly 17.5 people.
I hope we just walk away now.
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Two years down the line I still don’t think you’ve said what will be better about your life if this happens.
 
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