England - the aftermath
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Have you taken the pledge?
It’s nothing to do with passports but all about pledging loyalty to a Country that’s not your own.
Standing up in front of others & spouting the pledge.
Your loyalty lies with Australia now, meaning, for you, England isn’t “we” anymore.
I went to the England Nigeria match. Before the world cup. Saw a lot of Nigerians in Nigerian shirts but there kids had Englang shirts on. The kids considered themselves English.
You know **** all about me, as I know **** all about you
I’d guess you’re very old, very white and very racist
The fact you call yourself Sir on an online forum tells me more than enough
I believe to stay they do.
Off my head I think it’s done after about four years of permanent residency. They pledge loyalty to Aus & denounce loyalty to all others or summat like.
My first boss in the 1960s was a Spaniard. He had to go to the Spanish Embassy every year and promise, amongst other things,mto return to Spain in the event of war to help them to retain dual nationality, and that made visiting his mother easier. As he had left Spain as he didn't like the regime he intimated there wasn't much chance of that. But these things were necessary as we don't take citizenship so lightly.
One oddity, seeing what goes on in Spain now, is that his marriage wasn't recognised in Spain and his Spanish passport declared him to be single so when he returned to Madrid he wasn't allowed to book a room with his wife and had to get two rooms.
Another point on allegience to a team. My ex was born in Stoke, so she supported England mostly and that footie team. But her Dad was from Northern India before the partition, so in Cricket, first team England, 2nd team Pakistan. But since her mother was Welsh so when came to rugby (union) it was Wales. Living in Hull though her team is Hull FC. Confused. I certainly was!
No they don’t, they basically just promise not to be a ****...
From this time forward I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I will uphold and obey.
Has it changed? They deffo used to have to renounce loyalty to others.
They’re still pledging loyalty to another.
It changed in the 80’s, you used to have to renounce all others and swear allegiance to Australia, Britain and Her Majesty the Queen, which makes your rather pointless argument even more pointless.
Why? If you swear loyalty to another you give up your right to call whoever it is you turned your back on “we”
If someone, for some awful reason, switched allegiance to Leeds & made a public declaration regarding their loyalty, in doing so, would you still accept that they call City “we”?
He has chosen to be loyal to Australia, he’s chosen to be Australian therefore not English anymore.
No, i’m English, I’ll always be English, even if I’d decided to move to warmer climes and take up residency, I’d still be English.
Exactly. There’s a difference between residency & citizenship. You don’t declare loyalty to Australia to be a resident. You choose to be a Citizen & in doing so give up being English.
There is indeed a difference, only citizens are allowed to vote in Australia and allowed automatic entry into Australia, that’s why permanent residents become citizens. If I did so, I’d be an Englishman with Australian citizenship and England would absolutely remain my team.