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superhorns said:
Trump is absolutely correct in demanding equal trade tariffs and a move from all Nato members to contribute fairly towards defence. He has put previous Presidents to shame in not addressing these important issues sooner. Germany in particular has been freewheeling at the expense of others.

I would expect Trump's bold moves and future success in these areas will boost his popularity at home leading to a second term. The UK needs a leader with as much backbone, step forward Mr Rees -Mogg.
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I think you are completely wrong on this one.. And I was referring to him reneging on climate change and other agreements.. We don't live in the wild West any more...

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superhorns said:
Which murder?

Litvinenko, Perepilichnyy, Glushkov, Berezovsky, so many.
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I'm referring to the suspects which you say that Britain wants to question from Russia - who are they ?
Besides which there has not been any evidence connecting any of these murders with the Russian state. There is also a certain amount of hypocrisy here SH. because even if the Russian state were involved most nations involved in espionage do the same thing - Mossad have murdered abroad, the CIA have done it and MI5 have done it as well.
 
colognehornet said:
I'm referring to the suspects which you say that Britain wants to question from Russia - who are they ?
Besides which there has not been any evidence connecting any of these murders with the Russian state. There is also a certain amount of hypocrisy here SH. because even if the Russian state were involved most nations involved in espionage do the same thing - Mossad have murdered abroad, the CIA have done it and MI5 have done it as well.
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The UK police had plenty of evidence in the Litvinenko case, Russia refused to let them stand trial.
 
superhorns said:
The UK police had plenty of evidence in the Litvinenko case, Russia refused to let them stand trial.
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You mean 'him' in the case of Lugovoy. Firstly the Russian constitution does not permit the extradition of Russian citizens, secondly their claim was that not a thread of evidence had been produced, and thirdly they were worried that there would not be a fair hearing or trial - that it had, in effect, become a political case. As far as further details are concerned I think you are as much in the dark as I am. One thing is certain - the Skrypal case has become a political one, and I suspect that any eveidence found that Russian wasn't involved would be hushed up. Maybe this is why we haven't heard anything.
 
colognehornet said:
You mean 'him' in the case of Lugovoy. Firstly the Russian constitution does not permit the extradition of Russian citizens, secondly their claim was that not a thread of evidence had been produced, and thirdly they were worried that there would not be a fair hearing or trial - that it had, in effect, become a political case. As far as further details are concerned I think you are as much in the dark as I am. One thing is certain - the Skrypal case has become a political one, and I suspect that any eveidence found that Russian wasn't involved would be hushed up. Maybe this is why we haven't heard anything.
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You would certainly have no trouble getting into the UK Communist Party.
 
superhorns said:
You would certainly have no trouble getting into the UK Communist Party.
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Strange as it may seem SH. I would not want to join the UK Communist Party. To clear things up Vladimir Putin is not a person I would invite to my house. I would not say that the Kremlin has never ordered the death of someone living abroad, just that there is a lack of real evidence in some of the cases you quote, and you need real evidence before you can start accusing governments in this way. The 'silencing' of ex spies, or those that have changed sides, is not new and it is not confined to Russia - it is just as much standard practice of the CIA. But this does not make it better. As for the other 'crimes' which you throw in Russia's direction - how are these any different to the way that the USA tries to control those countries on it's doorstep ? Russia is into strategic power politics and regaining World influence in order to match the USA. as much as possible - it's not all nice and rosy, but it's the way things are for these big powers, and has nothing to do with Communism as an idea. Putin is no more of a Communist than you are.
 
To get back to the principal point of the thread, it seems the EU will not compromise on The Irish Border, a fact recognised in the latest UK proposal. (Actually why should they-it’s not an issue if their making and the Uk signed up to protecting the open border ). So far nobody promoting a hard Brexit has come up with ANY solution to this conundrum. As I said, it’s a problem unique to the UK, truly ironic really.
 
J T Bodbo said:
To get back to the principal point of the thread, it seems the EU will not compromise on The Irish Border, a fact recognised in the latest UK proposal. (Actually why should they-it’s not an issue if their making and the Uk signed up to protecting the open border ). So far nobody promoting a hard Brexit has come up with ANY solution to this conundrum. As I said, it’s a problem unique to the UK, truly ironic really.
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It is quite easy as the Irish PM has already pointed out. A comprehensive free trade and customs deal between the UK and the EU. There are technological solutions available to add to those already in place. The border has been used by the EU to attempt to tie the UK very closely to it's rules and try to prevent the UK becoming a super competitive country on its doorstep.
 
superhorns said:
It is quite easy as the Irish PM has already pointed out. A comprehensive free trade and customs deal between the UK and the EU. There are technological solutions available to add to those already in place. The border has been used by the EU to attempt to tie the UK very closely to it's rules and try to prevent the UK becoming a super competitive country on its doorstep.
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"super competitive country on its doorstep" Oh you do make me chuckle sometimes. Needed it today so thank you :-)
 
superhorns said:
It is quite easy as the Irish PM has already pointed out. A comprehensive free trade and customs deal between the UK and the EU. There are technological solutions available to add to those already in place. The border has been used by the EU to attempt to tie the UK very closely to it's rules and try to prevent the UK becoming a super competitive country on its doorstep.
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As varadkar said, the latest document is a good place to start. Pity it scuppers the prospect of independent trade deals. Pity that the cabal of Brexit dreamers will reject it. Still no proposals from the Brexit dreamers for a workable solution. Why? There isn’t one. I’ll try one more time. A Uk independent of EU customs and the single market (I.e. making own trade deals, and immigration control) is incompatible with the absence of a border in Ireland.
 
We could always threaten to quit the Eurovision Song Contest. It is estimated that if one of the "Big Five" broadcasting nations (UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain) withdrew, the Contest would lose money and likely be finished, which is why they all automatically go through to the final. I'm not sure if this is still the case with Australia involved.
 
J T Bodbo said:
As varadkar said, the latest document is a good place to start. Pity it scuppers the prospect of independent trade deals. Pity that the cabal of Brexit dreamers will reject it. Still no proposals from the Brexit dreamers for a workable solution. Why? There isn’t one. I’ll try one more time. A Uk independent of EU customs and the single market (I.e. making own trade deals, and immigration control) is incompatible with the absence of a border in Ireland.
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I don't think the absence of a border in Ireland should be the driving force of anything. If there has to be a border then so be it and solutions have to be found.
The real issue is that we cannot get most of the cherry picked items we want because they are incompatible with the EU's 4 pillars. Remaining in the customs union makes trade deals elsewhere problematic whatever solution there is or is not in Ireland.
 
"The latest document is a good place to start." Therein lies the problem, there has not been anything like a firm proposal for 18 months, just a series of papers to test the water, so it is something like a bit of a breakthrough. Now that something has finally been produced there are a bunch of MPs and some in the country crying out that this is not what they thought Brexit would be like. Hard luck I say to them. You voted for it, even if there were no details of what you were voting for, now you must own it. Those who voted for the current government doubly own it, so maybe they should get behind the PM instead of talking about bringing her down. It was never my Brexit so I feel quite entitled to continue putting forward my point of view and directing people away from the claptrap one reads in the press so often. On the specific issue of NI I would not ever agree to tearing up an international agreement because it was proving to be a bit of a hindrance.
 
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When we joined the EU the whole UK joined. Now we leave the EU the whole UK must be treated alike.
NI is part of the UK and must be treated equally.
While we were in the EU certain cross border arrangements were possible. They may or may not be possible post brexit depending on what form it takes. However NI is only one area where problems need to be solved.
Those who voted for brexit can be thanked for giving us these unnecessary complications.
 
Leo said:
When we joined the EU the whole UK joined. Now we leave the EU the whole UK must be treated alike.
NI is part of the UK and must be treated equally.
While we were in the EU certain cross border arrangements were possible. They may or may not be possible post brexit depending on what form it takes. However NI is only one area where problems need to be solved.
Those who voted for brexit can be thanked for giving us these unnecessary complications.
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You will be thanking us in a few years time, mine is a large red wine, cheers.
 
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