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Match Day Thread World Cup Watch

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, Oct 8, 2017.

  1. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    i've said for years the International team would benefit from more of our players going abroad.
    The PL clubs won't encourage youngsters to go though as they will worry that they will want to stay .
     
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  2. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    You're right - I forgot about that, he did some funny hand gesture didn't he <laugh>
     
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  3. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    You blame them. Italian teams will want to buy them for 2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps the cheap ****s.
     
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  4. johnsonsbaby

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    Maguire is a liability, Stones is 50/50, only Walker there who looks like he knows which way is up.
     
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  5. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    English players have skewed our market. Why should they carry an extra premium? Most of the time they are inferior to the foreign player yet cost more!
     
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  6. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>
    after loaning them for a season with us paying 95% of the players wages

    and then make out they were doing us a favour <doh>.
     
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  7. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    We are talking Italian teams ffs.

    Cheap ass ****ers.

    Unless selling of course. You agree with their valuations then :bandit:
     
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  8. lazarus20000

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    I'm talking about our markets and not Italian. Not aware they are cheap feckers.
     
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  9. LuisDiazgamechanger

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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    hodgson got the same.... that first tournament he skated by.

    in fairness the parallels are startling.

    that was euro 2012 . england got an "ok" group but it was not that easy. ukraine, sheva was on his last legs, sweden (****) and france. beat sweden 3-2 in a mess of a game then go out on pens to italy after a bore draw in QF.

    Looks great til you remember the details

    then there's 2014 and england are out in group pathetically and then euro 2016 the iceland debacle.

    so..... really Southgate can skate by but REALLY now is the time to seize the moment and really go for it.
     
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  11. BobbyD

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    not even any decent. Was inconsistent and imo average for you boys.

    Bournemouth started him but benched him in the latter half of their season before he got injured.

    It speaks volumes that even on a free transfer, none of the big clubs or even the mediocre clubs fancy picking him up
     
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  12. BobbyD

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    generally agree but disagree with Alli. He is creative and is technically good and he's not that powerful or fast. He does a lot of running but imo has gotten lazier.

    The reason he's not progressed (we say not progressed still bagged plenty of goals and assists) is because he's too busy playing hollywood passes and flicks that don't come off and to me thats down to arrogance and ego.
     
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  13. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    It does. This guy was hyped up by the hierarchy as the next coming, but flopped like the rest. Not one Arsenal player through our youth academies during the Wenger era has survived, and we supposedly had a good youth system.
     
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  14. BobbyD

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    because you know they can 'handle' the rough and tumble of the premier league! :bandit:
     
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  15. BobbyD

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    not sure you can 100% blame the academy players. The more Wenger has stayed in charge, the more players have stagnated.

    In the current arsenal teams of recent times, i cannot for the life of me name anyone that wenger has improved beyond their ability but most of the players have gone backwards.

    The only one i can think of is Alexis and maybe monreal. I'd have put bellerin if it was the year before but he was pretty bad last year.
     
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  16. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, things did stagnate under Wenger so it'll be interesting to see what new man Emery does with the same resources at his disposal. I do hope that he uses the youth and doesn't solely rely on transfers.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I wouldn't put him in debruyne or silva category

    I think alli has fallen for the same ****e that fabregas and gerrard ended up in.. more or less. They are powerful and can score goals so they got pushed further and further forward and become a quasi second striker but one who's job is more late runs that creating a lot of goals.

    Fabregas imo was pushed into a role previously occupied by bergkamp and when he moved to barca and cheslea they have seen the issues with him not really leanring the complete midfield trade.

    Gerrard started as a real midfielder, proper hard then he ended up behind torres under rafa or as RW til he got the hump and wanted the central role. great player and all that.

    Really alli is very young to be pushed forward like this and i think he will end up being a guy who's just in between. not a great striker not a great midfielder. just very good but not being all he could have been.

    THe guy talks a good game about going to real but the reality of that is... real bought modric and bale. is alli good enough to play as a real forward? I don't think so.
     
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    Alli has got the look of someone who thinks he is better than he is. A lot of media use him and he is advertised as though he is up there with the best. Oh and he has an issue with his top lip. He just needs to go back to being a bit more Lampard esque, a good goal scoring attacking midfielder who can link well with the striker but don't start trying to be more. He has a long long way to go to getting near Lampard though.
     
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  19. BobbyD

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    agree Alli is no where near De Bruyne and Silva. That's because they are technical and are the playmakers.

    Alli in a sense isn't that at all, he's a poor mans del piero/totti, not a centre forward.

    He could probably do a job in midfield but he's too busy feeding his ego and trying the fancy ball/goal as his first option whereas Silva and De Bruyne aren't unless its the correct ball.

    Not sure it's because fabregas got pushed forward, he can still dominate a game with his passing. It's because he's a ****ing soft light weight midfielder who gets pushed off easily. Unlike Xavi who has a bit more muscle and Iniesta who is nippy and can nick the ball (when he was in his prime), Fabregas has the acceleration of an oil tanker so people breeze past him like he isn't there whether using speed or power. That's why he can't ever be in a dominant midfield.

    I wouldn't even put Fabregas as a lampard type, he's more like Silva in that he can spot a pass but he cannot finish and his shooting is pretty weak compared to the likes of Lampard and Gerrard who could hit them consistently.
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I think that's even harsh on totti and del peiro.

    I think alli could be a great box to box player, really strong but i think he has been fed a lot of bullshit and pushed forward by poch. It is ego.

    Fabregas I agree very soft in midfield and seems only interested in standing with hands on hips looking back while others work. Wenger taught him this IMO. Barca couldn't beat it out of him!

    It really shows what a young player is taught as good habits early stays with him forever.
     
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