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@stewartdonald3 Genuine offer Stewart from us at KCH :

If this is a genuine statement about replacing Pink Seats? KCH Engineering will provide the labour tools and equipment to carry this out if you guys buy the seats in.

Don -
Fantastic. I have been working hard to get a good quote on the seats behind the scenes and have managed toI think. Can you DM me your details and we can discuss please. Thank you so much for the offer

Will the BBQ day not be happening now where fans come and help ?

Don -
Yes I would like us all to d it - some professional help though won't go a miss I think.:cool:
 
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Brian Storm said:
Will insurance be an obstacle? Can release forms be used. I mean, it involves power tools, nailed on somebody is getting hurt <laugh> @haslam
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In the main it boils down to reasonable precautions and what it actually involves. The main issue probably wouldn't be getting fans in to put the seats in as you could explain the risks in advance and they could sign off on it being ok - provided it isn't using any heavy machinery I can't see much of a problem, it's surely mostly a spanner and hammer job? Unlike some geordies I've never actually checked how your seats are fitted!!

I reckon the main problem though is the fans who come to sit down for a game later on and get injured if it hasn't been secured properly! Someone would need to check they were secured in correctly.


NB: To sue in tort (negligence) you need to show 1) a Duty of Care (which the club would owe for certain) 2) Breach of Duty 3) Damages.
The club would owe a Duty and the Damages would be self explanatory but it's the breach which wouldn't be straighforward. If I warn someone about dangers at what point is it no longer my fault if they get injured? Here I honestly can't see it being a problem so insurance should be fine, schools take kids out to do things not dissimilar.
 
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haslam said:
In the main it boils down to reasonable precautions and what it actually involves. The main issue probably wouldn't be getting fans in to put the seats in as you could explain the risks in advance and they could sign off on it being ok - provided it isn't using any heavy machinery I can't see much of a problem, it's surely mostly a spanner and hammer job? Unlike some geordies I've never actually checked how your seats are fitted!!

I reckon the main problem though is the fans who come to sit down for a game later on and get injured if it hasn't been secured properly! Someone would need to check they were secured in correctly.


NB: To sue in tort (negligence) you need to show 1) a Duty of Care (which the club would owe for certain) 2) Breach of Duty 3) Damages.
The club would owe a Duty and the Damages would be self explanatory but it's the breach which wouldn't be straighforward. If I warn someone about dangers at what point is it no longer my fault if they get injured? Here I honestly can't see it being a problem so insurance should be fine, schools take kids out to do things not dissimilar.
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I think you'll find that as long as the newly installed seats are inspected and signed off by a competent person, it will fine when it comes to regulations and H&S legislation.

After all, the same rules apply if you rewire your house. As long as a sparky inspects your work and signs it off, it's perfectly legal.
 
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Dorset said:
I think you'll find that as long as the newly installed seats are inspected and signed off by a competent person, it will fine when it comes to regulations and H&S legislation.

After all, the same rules apply if you rewire your house. As long as a sparky inspects your work and signs it off, it's perfectly legal.
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So what if somebody gets hurt? I mean it's not quite like you're in your own home. It's more like going to your mates and doing the leccy work unqualified after being encouraged to tinker then getting a shock before the work is signed off.
 
Brian Storm said:
So what if somebody gets hurt? I mean it's not quite like you're in your own home. It's more like going to your mates and doing the leccy work unqualified after being encouraged to tinker then getting a shock before the work is signed off.
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The sparky does the final connection to the live supply after he's inspected the work.
I know because I've done it when I renovated a bungalow a few years back.

As for the seats, that's far simpler because it's just a case of unbolting the old and bolting in the new. As long as a risk assessment and method statement is produced I don't see a problem.
 
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Dorset said:
The sparky does the final connection to the live supply after he's inspected the work.
I know because I've done it when I renovated a bungalow a few years back.

As for the seats, that's far simpler because it's just a case of unbolting the old and bolting in the new. As long as a risk assessment and method statement is produced I don't see a problem.
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I see what you mean about after it's been signed off and inspected. Still don't understand how the H&S works if somebody is injured doing the job and they're not insured to be carrying out the work.
 
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Brian Storm said:
I see what you mean about after it's been signed off and inspected. Still don't understand how the H&S works if somebody is injured doing the job and they're not insured to be carrying out the work.
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<laugh> me too Bri. H&S is a minefield and I can't confess to being an expert on the matter. Some of it just seems so unnecessary, but in today's climate of suing everyone in sight because someone chipped a finger nail, I can understand airing on the side of caution.
 
Steve300002 said:
Exactly. ****ing joke if someone sues the club over cutting their hand.
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i don't think that would ever happen surely? My concerns would be potentially reducing the level of fan participation because insurers are getting their knickers in a twist Something SD mentioned when it was first brought up. I mentioned release forms earlier which is a waiver, are those legally binding in Britain then or they like prenuptial agreements in the uk where people do them but they're still not legally binding here? Seems a yank thing like the whole suing culture. Never done anything dangerous enough to demand one.
 
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I really can't see the people participating causing a fuss but as mentioned it would need to be checked over as I actually could understand if someone went to the game with their kids and the chair breaks causing an injury it being an issue.

As for people injured by your unqualified DIY there's a case on that (Wells v Cooper) and the law is clear: If I carry out a semi-skilled job then I'm liable if I do it badly, being unqualified is no defence (others like the humorous Nettleship v Weston are similar).
 
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