I think that's the first thing we have agreed on in weeks...
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I think that's the first thing we have agreed on in weeks...
If only there was a 'Brexit policy' - unless you mean empty rhetoric and personal attacks on 'dissenters'.
Yeah.. he's a real charmer
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Is he doing anything more than what he feels is in the country’s best interests? Why do avid Brexiteers expect everyone to whistle merrily over how Brexit is going?
True. It'll be interesting to see how far Batty Anna is prepared to go to thwart Brexit, and whether this includes trying to bring the government down, and possibly allow Jezza's Marxist government in. Of the dozen or so in her Remain coterie, I doubt many will go this far. They wouldn't be forgiven for it by the Tory Party. But Batty Anna - I wouldn't put it past her. She has that wild look in her eyes...
Yep, like when he sent British troops into Iraq, he was doing it in Iraq's best interests. People don't need that sort of help
What a muppet thing to say. The reason I am still in favour of Brexit is because it will be in the best interests of our country and not just a few living in ivory towers. You're just another remoaner who cannot accept the result. move on fella.
Yep, like when he sent British troops into Iraq, he was doing it in Iraq's best interests. People don't need that sort of help
Completely irrelevant to this, obviously. I don’t mind the pro-Brexit soundbites to temporarily appease their support so I don’t get why anyone against it, who really has more to back up their claim, is shouted down.
Watford if anyone other than Blair and Co questioned Brexit, I wouldn't have a problem. I would want it. I actually enjoy reading 'remainer' comments. Some have some fab information that makes sense. You guys that post on here are normal people and have proper concerns whereas Blair is doing it for another reason. He doesn't and has never given a toss about you, me, others. He has proven time and time again to be a slimy lying muppet who should never be trusted. I think I have said on many occasions that May is too weak and yes I agree she sends out the wrong signals. We need 'The Moggmiseter'.
Like what? I keep hearing all these comments of facts from the 'remainers' give us some?
No! you don't like him because he speaks funny. The bloke should lead our country into the 18th Century!
People have a particular problem with Blair. Two in particular regarding Brexit.
First, it was Blair who was responsible for refusing to put a cap on immigration when the ex-Soviet block countries joined the EU. Labour said a few thousands would come, but millions came. If Labour hadn't adopted that policy, and had put limits on like other established EU countries, I don't think we would be leaving the EU, indeed I don't think there would have been referendum, and possibly not UKIP. So from his standpoint, he's the author of his own misfortunes, but of course, he won't see it that way because he's arrogant.
Which brings me to the second reason people don't like Blair and that's because he's elitist and disdainful of democracy. He time in office as PM was like a dictatorship - remember sofa government? His cabinet had the mushroom treatment - you know, kept in the dark and doo-doo thrown over them. People like Claire Short resigned as a result. It's typical of Blair, that when we have a democratic vote on a referendum, he want's to ignore it. Of course he does. He practices the politics of Idi Amin.
A serious question, were the remainers complaining about the referendum before it took place?
I saw this on FB. I don't claim that all of this is fact, but there's quite a lot there to be getting on with.........
To date, industries either moving, considering moving, reducing capacity, or shutting up shop due to Brexit uncertainty and rising costs due to the weak £, now stands at;
* Airlines.
* Car factories. At risk 2.7 million workers
* Financial services. 2.19 million workers
* Component factories in aerospace and car tech.
* Games tech companies, 40% of which are considering moving to the EU.
* Restaurants & hotels - Jamie’s, Prezzo, Strada, Chimichanga, as people start to tighten their belts, middle range eateries suffer. 4.49 million workers in hospitality.
* Retailers ( toysRus, maplin, gone already, New Look, HoF, Debs, Homebase, M&S, restructuring) with many others showing significant drops in profit or issuing profit warnings, not too mention struggling independents, all struggling to cope with the falling £. 2.6 million workers in retail.
* 46% Of EU companies with a Uk base will be reducing uk capacity. 15% will remove all operations to the EU, 28% will move a “significant” proportion, & 29% will move smaller parts of their operation.
That’s a total of over 12 millions workers in these industries.
Then there’s the other crap that comes with leaving the EU:
* Good Friday agreement in danger
* Reintroduction Of roaming charges
* Geoblocking - we wont get it!
* More expensive food, due to weak £ and import costs.
* Increased cost of fuels, gas, electric & petrol plus possible supply issues.
* Less money for services eg. NHS, local councils, schools etc.
* Leaving Euratom
* Loss of Euroclear
* Brain drain of EU staff from Universities and British staff seeking better opportunities elsewhere.
* Loss of EU staff in NHS leaving some areas critically understaffed
* Loss of EU staff from hospitality industry, hotels & restaurants all struggling to recruit.
* Food rotting in fields due to lack of migrant workers.
* Stagnating economy, with prolonged recession looming.
* Fisheries losing their biggest market (EU) which may cause the collapse of the industry in some areas, (Grimsby being one), due to being uncompetitive if there is no free trade agreement.
* Reduced opportunities for our school and uni leavers.
* Removal of farming subsidies.
* Loss of regeneration cash to ex heavy industry or poor communities ( eg. North East, Wales, Cornwall).
* Gibraltar- that’s got to pop over the parapet soon!
* Food shortages, 1/3 of U.K. food is imported.
* End of Erasmus scheme.
*Loss of “Open Skies” agreement.
*Relaxation of workers rights, re hours, pregnancy, minimum wage, etc. Making it easier to fire people.
* Loss of trading opportunity ( has anyone actually checked out the WTO rules )!
* Becoming “little Britain”, we are a service nation, not a manufacturing one, Shipping, steel and mining are never coming back.
* Potential break up of Great Britain, Starting with Scotland.
* EHIC card and the right to reciprocal healthcare in the union.
* Relaxation of health and safety rules following exit to the detriment of workers and the general public.
* Exit from the ECtHR. European courts of human rights
* Exit from CFREU - charter of fundamental rights of European Union. Which protects our rights to equality, non discrimination and human rights under EU law.
* European medical agency moved to Amsterdam (underway already)
* European banking authority (move to Paris, underway already)
* Loss of funding for cancer research and other critical medical research projects
* Loss of reciprocal cross country research into illnesses, and treatment.
* Loss of research grants across all areas, resulting in further brain drain.
* Loss of access for critical cancer drugs
* Lack of clarity as to rights of EU nationals domiciled in the U.K.
* 2.2 million UK expats living in the union (either full or part time) may lose rights to uk pensions & reciprocal healthcare, resulting in them having to return to the U.K. adding additional strain on the NHS and council services.
* Uk border controls revert to Dover from Calais.
* Leaving the ECJ which poses significant risks to our security.
* Loss of freedom of movement within the EU, possible reintroduction of costly visa’s.
* Impact on Sports, Art & Culture, due to freedom of movement restraints, costs of importing / exporting equipment and livestock.
* UK driving licence no longer valid in EU & loss of green card insurance scheme.
* Leaving the single market.
* Leaving the customs union.
* Joint action on climate change.
* Animal welfare and sentience laws.
* Wildlife safeguards & habitat protection.
* Harmonisation in industrial standards & CE standards.
* Food safety and consumer protection (chlorinated chicken anyone?)
* Risk of NHS being “sold off” in a US trade deal.
Nice cut and paste however it's all could/maybe/might blah blah blah. Nothing really has happened.
I listened to a bloke on that Bloomberg channel talking about the pound and that we cant put all the blame on Brexit. Most problems are due to fear/uncertainty. To be honest they won't be stopping planes or driving licences not being valid...it's all fear mongering. Come back when something actually has been a nightmare for us.
A lot objected to the question being put to the electorate, but were confident of winning.